Ukraine

[Cono Este]

Your ancestors in the RAF displayed bravery and courage when they stood up against a brutal dictator.

They would be ashamed at what a sniveling coward you are under the same circumstances.



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Weird how I was actually born in the lap of first hand accounts of a nation under siege and yet I seem to have listened to everything it taught me.




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[skaredshtles]

Are you gents still arguing with those morans cono and rod? You should quit that shit.

[S_jenks]

Weird how I was actually born in the lap of first hand accounts of a nation under siege and yet I seem to have listened to everything it taught me.




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Man, based on what you’ve written in this thread alone, you have taken so many wrong lessons from them. At least when it comes to the conclusions.

[Mazderati]

Your ancestors in the RAF displayed bravery and courage when they stood up against a brutal dictator.

They would be ashamed at what a sniveling coward you are under the same circumstances.



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[Cono Este]

https://youtu.be/CzbsPOaCrLw

Listen to Michael Vickers

39:30 - 43:30


“It’s a policy choice not to supply them”

“We’re funding the Russian war machine to the tune of a billion a day”

“The war shifted a few months ago, and we just started providing them with HiMRS”

“It’s something we could address but we’ve chosen not to”

“If you don’t want the Ukranians to win be clear about it”

“If they are going to prevail in this conflict….and then if you want the Ukranians to retake this territory…they are going need tanks and infantry fighting vehicles”

Basically the legendary Michael Vickers thinks the Joe Biden administration doesn’t want the Ukraine to win, or at least is “watering down” what they previously have said.




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[Percy Rideout]

"There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare." Sun-Tzu

[Cisco Kid]

Define "prolonged"

[MultiVerse]

The best way to shorten the war is through a prudent and realistic plan:

1. Abandon unnecessary constraints on quantities & types of arms NATO countries send to Ukraine
2. Further tighten sanctions on Russia

Sending more HIMARS along with ATACMS (no Russian depots in Ukraine are out of range) would ensure the Russian army marches out on foot, leaving most of their war material behind.

[frorider]

"There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare." Sun-Tzu

Thanks, I don’t follow him on Twitter so I missed that one. Hope Pootin saw it though.

[dunfree]

Thanks, I don’t follow him on Twitter so I missed that one. Hope Pootin saw it though.

Mencius is a way better follow, agreed

[LongShortLong]

Cono forgot to quote this part "this is a war where right and wrong are extraordinarily clear"

[up an down]

Man, based on what you’ve written in this thread alone, you have taken so many wrong lessons from them. At least when it comes to the conclusions.

Please stop quoting those brain dead shitstains.. Thanks

[LongShortLong]

https://youtu.be/CzbsPOaCrLw

Listen to Michael Vickers

39:30 - 43:30


“It’s a policy choice not to supply them”

“We’re funding the Russian war machine to the tune of a billion a day”

“The war shifted a few months ago, and we just started providing them with HiMRS”

“It’s something we could address but we’ve chosen not to”

“If you don’t want the Ukranians to win be clear about it”

“If they are going to prevail in this conflict….and then if you want the Ukranians to retake this territory…they are going need tanks and infantry fighting vehicles”

Basically the legendary Michael Vickers thinks the Joe Biden administration doesn’t want the Ukraine to win, or at least is “watering down” what they previously have said.




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Maybe you can read that between the lines. I'd say that Biden has the problem that if he states and pursues a clear policy goal, half of government will oppose it and it won't happen. Maybe internal politics limits the best we can do for Ukraine is offer lukewarm support.

All three of the CSIS speakers were very clear that Russia is fighting a wrongful war, that Russia must be reduced to less than a great power, and Russia needs a different government for lasting peace.

[jono]

Maybe you can read that between the lines. I'd say that Biden has the problem that if he states and pursues a clear policy goal, half of government will oppose it and it won't happen. Maybe internal politics limits the best we can do for Ukraine is offer lukewarm support.

All three of the CSIS speakers were very clear that Russia is fighting a wrongful war, that Russia must be reduced to less than a great power, and Russia needs a different government for lasting peace.

Maybe Michael Vickers thinks the way to get Ukraine more support is to give the opposition an opening to try to be more supportive. So they don't have to try for less.

[highangle]

Weird how I was actually born in the lap of first hand accounts of a nation under siege and yet I now sell nickle & dime insurance policies door-to-door in the projects

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Man I knew you had a basis for your authority somewhere, and by golly there it is.

[dunfree]

Another day, more Russian late model aircraft (su-34m), drones, EW, and radar destroyed the kind someone said wasn’t committed because Russia was “holding back”. No they weren’t. They are losers who’ve gone all in and can be destroyed

[rideit]

I heard a rumor another one was just shot down, I’m looking for more info.

[jono]

Another day, more Russian late model aircraft (su-34m), drones, EW, and radar destroyed the kind someone said wasn’t committed because Russia was “holding back”. No they weren’t. They are losers who’ve gone all in and can be destroyed

It's not that they weren't holding back, it's just that we're seeing why. Turns out it really is better to hold back your best stuff and be thought a paper tiger than to send it and remove all doubt.

[4matic]

I heard a rumor another one was just shot down, I’m looking for more info.

https://twitter.com/OriginalRamayan/...CkRULpc29yvODg

[This End Up]

It’s like Putin is letting the west blow up all his old military equipment so that he can build all new modern military equipment.

[neufox47]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidha...onfusing-them/

Looks like they may have shot their own down again, or Ukraine did.


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[summit]

It’s like Putin is letting the west blow up all his old military equipment so that he can build all new modern military equipment.

Putin has lost a huge amount of shiny new toys and is now having to dust off old stuff.

He can't build new shit without the advanced components he can no longer acquire or manufacturer due to sanctions. He cannot pay for it either.

[This End Up]

He can't build new shit without the advanced components he can no longer acquire or manufacturer due to sanctions. He cannot pay for it either.

The “West” has spent the last 30ish years essentially training the Chinese to make all sorts of advanced components. Putin will just buy from them.

[uglymoney]

I saw video of that su 35 going down last night but wasn't sure it was a new hit or just a redefining of the su 34 from the night before.

They don't have an answer for the MLRS systems. Heads are rolling.

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[jono]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidha...onfusing-them/

Looks like they may have shot their own down again, or Ukraine did.

Same one mentioned yesterday, so we're still at 2 lately.

Interesting theory on the Russians unintentionally helping create a no-fly zone, though. It would be very interesting if Ukraine could do this on purpose--use Russian planes in the air to ensure their rockets land as intended while the Russian air defenses shoot their own planes. Just need a little advance warning and a set of pre-selected targets?