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Thread: Ukraine
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07-19-2022, 07:39 AM #8651
Weird how I was actually born in the lap of first hand accounts of a nation under siege and yet I seem to have listened to everything it taught me.
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07-19-2022, 08:40 AM #8652
Are you gents still arguing with those morans cono and rod? You should quit that shit.
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07-19-2022, 08:44 AM #8653
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07-19-2022, 09:14 AM #8654
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07-19-2022, 11:28 AM #8655
Ukraine
https://youtu.be/CzbsPOaCrLw
Listen to Michael Vickers
39:30 - 43:30
“It’s a policy choice not to supply them”
“We’re funding the Russian war machine to the tune of a billion a day”
“The war shifted a few months ago, and we just started providing them with HiMRS”
“It’s something we could address but we’ve chosen not to”
“If you don’t want the Ukranians to win be clear about it”
“If they are going to prevail in this conflict….and then if you want the Ukranians to retake this territory…they are going need tanks and infantry fighting vehicles”
Basically the legendary Michael Vickers thinks the Joe Biden administration doesn’t want the Ukraine to win, or at least is “watering down” what they previously have said.
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07-19-2022, 12:40 PM #8656Registered User
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"There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare." Sun-Tzu
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07-19-2022, 01:09 PM #8657
Define "prolonged"
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07-19-2022, 01:09 PM #8658
The best way to shorten the war is through a prudent and realistic plan:
- Abandon unnecessary constraints on quantities & types of arms NATO countries send to Ukraine
- Further tighten sanctions on Russia
Sending more HIMARS along with ATACMS (no Russian depots in Ukraine are out of range) would ensure the Russian army marches out on foot, leaving most of their war material behind.
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07-19-2022, 01:26 PM #8659
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07-19-2022, 01:29 PM #8660
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07-19-2022, 02:10 PM #8661click here
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Cono forgot to quote this part "this is a war where right and wrong are extraordinarily clear"
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07-19-2022, 02:21 PM #8662
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Maybe you can read that between the lines. I'd say that Biden has the problem that if he states and pursues a clear policy goal, half of government will oppose it and it won't happen. Maybe internal politics limits the best we can do for Ukraine is offer lukewarm support.
All three of the CSIS speakers were very clear that Russia is fighting a wrongful war, that Russia must be reduced to less than a great power, and Russia needs a different government for lasting peace.
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07-19-2022, 03:00 PM #8664
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07-19-2022, 06:13 PM #8665
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07-19-2022, 09:15 PM #8666
Another day, more Russian late model aircraft (su-34m), drones, EW, and radar destroyed the kind someone said wasn’t committed because Russia was “holding back”. No they weren’t. They are losers who’ve gone all in and can be destroyed
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07-19-2022, 11:03 PM #8667
I heard a rumor another one was just shot down, I’m looking for more info.
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07-19-2022, 11:18 PM #8668
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07-20-2022, 12:19 AM #8669
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07-20-2022, 06:50 AM #8670
It’s like Putin is letting the west blow up all his old military equipment so that he can build all new modern military equipment.
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07-20-2022, 08:17 AM #8671
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidha...onfusing-them/
Looks like they may have shot their own down again, or Ukraine did.
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07-20-2022, 08:40 AM #8672
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07-20-2022, 09:03 AM #8673
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07-20-2022, 09:03 AM #8674
I saw video of that su 35 going down last night but wasn't sure it was a new hit or just a redefining of the su 34 from the night before.
They don't have an answer for the MLRS systems. Heads are rolling.
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07-20-2022, 09:03 AM #8675
Same one mentioned yesterday, so we're still at 2 lately.
Interesting theory on the Russians unintentionally helping create a no-fly zone, though. It would be very interesting if Ukraine could do this on purpose--use Russian planes in the air to ensure their rockets land as intended while the Russian air defenses shoot their own planes. Just need a little advance warning and a set of pre-selected targets?
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