Ukraine

[frorider]

Re: Seymour H. https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/201...sama-bin-laden

Re: Nordstream 2. https://www.duckofminerva.com/2022/0...rd-stream.html

I’ve read enough different yet logical analyses the jury’s out for me.

[Core Shot]

substack is the best fiction publisher around

Anyone can say anything. Free speech.

But Sy isn’t some teenager making shit up.
I sense some truth in what he wrote.
Biden and nuland said Nordstream was done. And then it was.
Hmmmmmmm? Satan?

[MultiVerse]

Putin allegedly blew up his own cash cow pipeline? Ok

None of the pipelines were operational at the time. Russia shut them down claiming maintenance issues but in reality shut off the gas in an attempt to blackmail Europe into not sending aid to Ukraine.

As a result of the explosions Russia's Gazprom was able to claim the gas supply halt was beyond its control allowing the Kremlin to continue using energy as a weapon without incurring massive contractual financial penalties.

By attacking its own pipelines Russia was also able to signal to the West that Western undersea infrastructure is vulnerable without directly attacking NATO., making this is just another example of Russian hybrid warfare.

But Sy isn’t some teenager making shit up.

He's an octogenarian making shit up.

[frorider]

CS, read my second link so we don’t need to rehash all the discussion here.

I think most of us can agree that he became a famous investigative journalist based on some great work years ago. Thus it saddened me when his response to fact-based rebuttals fell back on the tropes so commonly used by conspiracy theorists when they’re pinned down.

[Core Shot]

Re: Seymour H. https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/201...sama-bin-laden

Re: Nordstream 2. https://www.duckofminerva.com/2022/0...rd-stream.html

I’ve read enough different yet logical analyses the jury’s out for me.

Interesting. Thx.

The Putin article is interesting. But I’m still not buying it.
He made money every day selling gas. Why blow up your own income. Oh yeah. He’s Putin. He’s crazy.

The Hersh bin Ladin is nut job. Didn’t realize how far he went. Personally I think bin Laden was already dead from kidney failure and we faked a raid and execution. But Sy claiming he was a prisoner and the other weird shit about throwing body parts out of a plane??
I guess Sy is gone. Oh well.

[frorider]

Ooops looks like you already read ‘em. Carry on.

[MultiVerse]

The Putin article is interesting. But I’m still not buying it.
He made money every day selling gas. Why blow up your own income. Oh yeah. He’s Putin. He’s crazy.

I realize Core Shot is a lost cause but for anyone else assuming the above logic, a few things to consider:

- Nord Stream 1 was already shut down by Russia at the time of the explosions
- Nord Stream 2 was never put into operation, by German decree
- The explosions allowed Gazprom to claim force majeure, thus voiding its obligations
- Russia still has other operational pipelines so its income wasn't "blown up" per se

[Core Shot]

Ooops looks like you already read ‘em. Carry on.

Yeah. Good reads. I was typing a response before you posted.

Shit is weird.

I realize Core Shot is a lost cause but for anyone else assuming the above logic, a few things to consider:

- Nordstream was already shut down at the time of the explosions
- The explosions allowed Gazprom to claim force majeure
- Russia still has other operational pipelines so the income wasn't "blown up" per se

In theory. Yeah. Force majeure and shit. I guess. But repairing those pipes ain’t easy. He’s have to be crazy
But yeah. Putin. Crazy days.

[MultiVerse]

In case it wasn't clear from the previous page, to accept Hersh's account a person would have to believe a single source had first hand knowledge of classified national security meetings which took place for months between the following groups: the Norwegians, the Norwegian Navy, the Treasury department, the State Department, the CIA, the U.S Navy, the Department of Energy, and the White House.

[rod9301]

None of the pipelines were operational at the time. Russia shut them down claiming maintenance issues but in reality shut off the gas in an attempt to blackmail Europe into not sending aid to Ukraine.

As a result of the explosions Russia's Gazprom was able to claim the gas supply halt was beyond its control allowing the Kremlin to continue using energy as a weapon without incurring massive contractual financial penalties.

By attacking its own pipelines Russia was also able to signal to the West that Western undersea infrastructure is vulnerable without directly attacking NATO., making this is just another example of Russian hybrid warfare.



He's an octogenarian making shit up.

Actually, Russia had lift any leverage in negotiating with Germany if they cannot supply gas thru Nordstream.

Russia had no incentive to blow their own pipeline.

On the other time, us had, because it didn't want Germany to import gas from Russia. And now it's selling lng to Germany.

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[rod9301]

Russia had lost any leverage, not lift

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[LongShortLong]

Seems obvious the Chinese PLA and Dutch AIVD teamed up on this.

ChatGPT("Write a short article in the style of Seymour Hersh describing the Chinese and Dutch plot to destroy Nordstream natural gas pipeline with a secret goal promote green energy - Dutch windmills and Chinese solar panels");

Without a lot of hard evidence (or exploiting most people's ignorance of the evidence), it's easy to come up with many plausible explanations. I assign 99% probability that Russia did it, though I see where others have motives and means. The pipelines aren't that deep - it's probably possible for a determined individual to do it. Wasn't me.

[Toadman]

Russians have trained dolphins to do this kind of work. Just like the USA does. Clearly commie Russian dolphins blew up the pipeline. Once PETA hears this information, look out.

[Bunion 2020]

I think it was gangs and I blame it all on the deterioration of society in general. If only was had something like midnight basketball these things wouldn't happen.

[Toadman]

Clearly vodka isn't the answer.

[LHutz Esq]

Millennials did it

[ex-powderbroker]

oh no, someone killed this terrible person

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64566582

[Cono Este]

Britain leading the way again, not like Biden, tying one hand behind Ukraines back.

[irul&ublo]

Clearly vodka isn't the answer.

What was the question?

[Bunion 2020]

oh no, someone killed this terrible person

Notorious Russian army captain and mercenary Igor Mangushev has died in hospital, days after he was shot in the head at close range in occupied Ukraine, his friends have said.

Mangushev's wife Tatyana described his killing as an execution.

He commanded an anti-drone unit in occupied Luhansk, but had also been one of the founders of a mercenary group fighting Ukrainian forces in 2014.

He took to a stage last summer holding a man's skull.

A Shakespeare fan no doubt.

[Cono Este]

Long article about the U.S. blowing up the Nordstream pipeline. Some Pulitzer Prize winning guy, surely an idiot. Who was that said the Russian blew their own pipeline? Or, should Inask, how many of you did?

https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/...he-nord-stream

[skaredshtles]

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[grinch]

Haaaaaa

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[MultiVerse]

lol, late as always yet still somehow right on cue.

In other news, today a team of international investigators said there are ‘strong indications’ Putin signed off on supplying missile that downed Boeing 777 flight MH17 in July 2014, killing all 298 people onboard.

“There are strong indications that a decision was made at presidential level, by President Putin, to supply… the Buk TELAR” missile system, Dutch prosecutor Digna van Boetzelaer said on Wednesday.

[bennymac]

Long article about the U.S. blowing up the Nordstream pipeline. Some Pulitzer Prize winning guy, surely an idiot. Who was that said the Russian blew their own pipeline? Or, should Inask, how many of you did?

https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/...he-nord-stream

Thanks for proving you don't actually read anything here - just login to post.

Here's a question: who said "Russia will invade Ukraine and Biden will do jack shit about it"?

Check the mirror if you need the answer there Nostradamus.

Not trying to spoil anyone’s plan for Armageddon. But food for thought. It may happen another way. Everyone has their price.

Apparently your price is a father-daughter dance on a Tuesday night.