Ukraine

[The Tortoise]

Malcolm Gladwell has an excellent audio book on the bombing strategies of the second world war and how it culminated in the fire bombing of Tokyo.

It's called the Bomber Mafia, I highly recommend it.

[MultiVerse]

The majority of Ukraine’s active tank and armored vehicles likely consists of captured Russian vehicles: approximately 440 Russian main battle tanks along with 650 additional armored vehicles.

[Timberridge]

Yeah, I heard Russia is the biggest supplier of weapons and munitions currently to the Ukrainian Army.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I think going forward, everyone posting should disclose if they have kids, pets, or an affinity for the outdoors. The ocean, the mountains, trees etc. something that proves they have skin the game.

If your old, childless, burn your leaves to piss off your neighbor, please put a star next to your name so we know where you’re coming from.

I have two kids. Both freshman. I love salt water fishing, snorkeling, and high speed groomers that make my teeth chatter.

I have a beautiful loving woman, two adult children, three dogs a cat. I spend most of my time outdoors. I’m not really worried, what good would it do? There’s zero that I can do about any of this.

[neufox47]

I’m no historian, but consider myself pretty well informed. Just recently, I learned if Operation Meetinghouse/The Great Tokyo Fire Raid of March 10, 1945. Sixteen square miles of Tokyo was burned, an estimated 100k people were killed and 1 million people were left homeless by USAF B-29s. In a single day. Though estimates vary, it seems that this was nearly if not more destructive than either A bomb dropped on Japan, though trying to compare these horrendous events makes me want to vomit. It seems that humans have a variety of tools that cause similar quantities of death and suffering.

Did you listen to the Bomber Mafia?

The fire bombing, especially once they learned how to bomb during certain weather conditions, was in many ways worse than the nukes used on Japan. Also, study what Gengis Khan’s armies did to cities that resisted or had the misfortune of killing one of his generals during the battle and I’d take the fire bombing or nuke.

[MultiVerse]

Ukrainian forces report Starlink outages during push against Russia. Ukraine troops reported outages of Starlink devices on frontline, hindering efforts to liberate territory from Russian forces, Ukrainian officials & soldiers told us. Some of Elon Musk’s SpaceX devices stopped working when Ukrainian soldiers liberated territory. Outages led to a “catastrophic” loss of communication in recent weeks

Let's get those Starlink connections back on line for the Ukrainians.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Ukrainian forces report Starlink outages during push against Russia. Ukraine troops reported outages of Starlink devices on frontline, hindering efforts to liberate territory from Russian forces, Ukrainian officials & soldiers told us. Some of Elon Musk’s SpaceX devices stopped working when Ukrainian soldiers liberated territory. Outages led to a “catastrophic” loss of communication in recent weeks

That’s just Musk doing his part for peace


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[MultiVerse]

Could also be coincidental technical issues. The main thing is ensuring Starlink works reliably. Ukrainian command & control from a tactical standpoint relies heavily on the ability to communicate with its widely dispersed units during offensive operations.

Yeah, I heard Russia is the biggest supplier of weapons and munitions currently to the Ukrainian Army.

Yep, and it speaks to the fact Ukraine will persist no matter what anyone in the West has to say.

[highangle]

haha

Elno Musté!

[summit]

Malcolm Gladwell has an excellent book on the bombing strategies of the second world war and how it culminated to the fire bombing of Tokyo.

It's called the Bomber Mafia, I highly recommend it.

Yes Bomber Mafia is a good read, it is entertaining. So is The Mighty Eighth. There's so many related books to WWII strategic bombing and nuclear policy/development/strategy... it is probably the single subject I've studied the most throughout my life. I'll list some...

Some are information dense:
The Effects of Nuclear Weapons
There's a 4 hour documentary from Sandia NL on the first 60 years of US Nuclear Policy that probably is on the internet somewhere
Freedom from Fear
US Strategic Bombing Survey
Inventing Accuracy
Military Radiobiology
On Thermonuclear War
Use of Force
Technical History of America's Nuclear Weapons Vol 1&2
no kidding at least another 50 dry titles I won't list/recall

Some are more engaging story-like reads:
The Rising Sun
The Making of the Atomic Bomb
Dark Sun
Mission With LeMay
Hiroshima (Hershey - I found this classic book of survivors accounts at the library in 2nd grade, my parents were appalled and tried to get me a children's book to read instead)
Fleet at Flood Tide
Slaughter House Five
First War of Physics
Command and Control
Idaho Falls
too many others to list

[highangle]

That’s just Musk doing his part for peace

Hanlon's Razor on that one.

Yes Bomber Mafia is a good read, it is entertaining. So is The Mighty Eighth. There's so many related books to WWII strategic bombing and nuclear policy/development/strategy... it is probably the single subject I've studied the most throughout my life. I'll list some...

Some are information dense:
The Effects of Nuclear Weapons
There's a 4 hour documentary from Sandia NL on the first 60 years of US Nuclear Policy that probably is on the internet somewhere
Freedom from Fear
US Strategic Bombing Survey
Inventing Accuracy
Military Radiobiology
On Thermonuclear War
Use of Force
Technical History of America's Nuclear Weapons Vol 1&2
no kidding at least another 50 dry titles I won't list/recall

Some are more engaging story-like reads:
The Rising Sun
The Making of the Atomic Bomb
Dark Sun
Mission With LeMay
Hiroshima (Hershey - I found this classic book of survivors accounts at the library in 2nd grade, my parents were appalled and tried to get me a children's book to read instead)
Fleet at Flood Tide
Slaughter House Five
First War of Physics
Command and Control
Idaho Falls
too many others to list

Day One [1989] was a very good TV drama about the Manhattan Project, and how some of the world's foremost theoretical physicists stooped to applied physics under the lash of the old school driver of men who built the Pentagon, Leslie R Groves.

Trinity & Beyond: The Atomic Bomb Movie is another. Narrated by Shatner and scored by Moscow Symphony Orchestra performing arrangements of Holst, Wagner, and Mozart by William Stromberg & John Morgan, it's loaded with historical info about above-ground nuclear testing in the 50s.




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[AK47bp]

I think going forward, everyone posting should disclose if they have kids, pets, or an affinity for the outdoors. The ocean, the mountains, trees etc. something that proves they have skin the game.

If your old, childless, burn your leaves to piss off your neighbor, please put a star next to your name so we know where you’re coming from.

I have two kids. Both freshman. I love salt water fishing, snorkeling, and high speed groomers that make my teeth chatter.

Groomers!?!?


You fucking animal…


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[cat in january]

Right, when I read that I knew was time to back away slowly

[jono]

Saw a succinct explanation yesterday: showing fear in the face of nuclear weapons increases the likelihood that they will be used.

I'd been thinking Cono was just a bit slow to understand, but if all you had to live for was groomers, well...

[summit]

The purpose of a nuclear deterrent is not to create a specific fear death or annhilation, but the certainty that a line if crossed will result in the certainty of a response that will inflict unacceptable results on a perpetrator such that their calculus of decision will never tilt in favor of the benefit of crossing that line. This includes nuclear surety: that the deterrent is reliable, will be engaged exactly and only when called upon by the proper command authority, that the nuclear force cannot be disabled/defeated, and that there is an absolute iron will to employ it if the line is crossed. The United States nuclear policy is one of flexible response.

I wish to draw a distinction here because what Putin is doing is not so much nuclear deterrence as per Russian strategic nuclear doctrine. He is engaging in sabre rattling with hints of nuclear blackmail. This is a weak an ineffective strategy where the bluff need simply be called by firm and just adherence to foreign and military policy goals that don't recognize the enemy's will to cavalierly engage their own destruction while also assuring the would be aggressor that their consequences to nuclear action will be totally unacceptable.

We won't want to live in a world where nuclear blackmail is successful and we don't need to because it relatively is easy to stand up to: we have the knowledge and capability, we need only exert the will.

[subtle plague]

Yes Bomber Mafia is a good read, it is entertaining. So is The Mighty Eighth. There's so many related books to WWII strategic bombing and nuclear policy/development/strategy... it is probably the single subject I've studied the most throughout my life. I'll list some...

Some are information dense:
The Effects of Nuclear Weapons
There's a 4 hour documentary from Sandia NL on the first 60 years of US Nuclear Policy that probably is on the internet somewhere
Freedom from Fear
US Strategic Bombing Survey
Inventing Accuracy
Military Radiobiology
On Thermonuclear War
Use of Force
Technical History of America's Nuclear Weapons Vol 1&2
no kidding at least another 50 dry titles I won't list/recall

Some are more engaging story-like reads:
The Rising Sun
The Making of the Atomic Bomb
Dark Sun
Mission With LeMay
Hiroshima (Hershey - I found this classic book of survivors accounts at the library in 2nd grade, my parents were appalled and tried to get me a children's book to read instead)
Fleet at Flood Tide
Slaughter House Five
First War of Physics
Command and Control
Idaho Falls
too many others to list

You forgot "nazi midget porn and it's sociocutural influence on the US army". A very thourough analysis of the midget doctrine of the 1950s.

[dunfree]

Could also be coincidental technical issues. The main thing is ensuring Starlink works reliably. Ukrainian command & control from a tactical standpoint relies heavily on the ability to communicate with its widely dispersed units during offensive operations.



Yep, and it speaks to the fact Ukraine will persist no matter what anyone in the West has to say.

could be many things, but I would suggest Musks dumbfuckery about Ukraine in the last 48 hours is 100% because he knew this story was coming out.

[summit]

Hanlon's Razor on that one.







Day One [1989] was a very good TV drama about the Manhattan Project, and how some of the world's foremost theoretical physicists stooped to applied physics under the lash of the old school driver of men who built the Pentagon, Leslie R Groves.

Trinity & Beyond: The Atomic Bomb Movie is another. Narrated by Shatner and scored by Moscow Symphony Orchestra performing arrangements of Holst, Wagner, and Mozart by William Stromberg & John Morgan, it's loaded with historical info about above-ground nuclear testing in the 50s.




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I've seen those. They are both good. The Rainbow Bombs is another good one. First Strike is an interesting piece, out of date by far. There are some good ones on the Nike program and the Safeguard program.

Here is that 4hr nuke policy documentary, in 4 parts, on youtube

[MultiVerse]

Kommersant, a nationally distributed daily newspaper published in Russia, writes the military benefits of using a nuclear weapon in Ukraine are dubious, while the costs are guaranteed:

"And finally, and most importantly. It is necessary to understand that the use of tactical nuclear weapons does not guarantee a turning point in its favor: its military effectiveness is not obvious. However, what it guarantees is certain: it is the risk of a full-scale nuclear war, complete strategic loneliness and the status of an international pariah, from which all poles of a multipolar world will turn away."

[highangle]

"...And the status of an international pariah, from which all poles of a multipolar world will turn away."


Shit, they might as well all launch too, since the rest of the world is going to be drinking it in our milk for the next 19 fucking years.

[MultiVerse]

I say let the Kaliningradites vote on the annexation of their enclave by Lithuania or Poland, or even back to Germany (Königsberg), supervised by the UN or even the CSTO. Problem solved, Putin snubbed.

I say a lot of shit.

According to an online referendum it looks like Kaliningrad goes to the Czechs because that's the way the world works now. 97.9% of Kaliningrad residents supported joining the Czech Republic, changing the name of the region to Královec:

Attachment 429127


Canadians also held a referendum to annex the Russian Embassy in Ottawa:

https://twitter.com/kolga/status/1577975884807553026


I don't make the rules.

[Bunion 2020]

Canadians also held a referendum to annex the Russian Embassy in Ottawa:

https://twitter.com/kolga/status/1577975884807553026


I don't make the rules.

That is fucking funny. Countries around the world should follow the example.

[gavinski91]

Ukrainian forces report Starlink outages during push against Russia. Ukraine troops reported outages of Starlink devices on frontline, hindering efforts to liberate territory from Russian forces, Ukrainian officials & soldiers told us. Some of Elon Musk’s SpaceX devices stopped working when Ukrainian soldiers liberated territory. Outages led to a “catastrophic” loss of communication in recent weeks

I read elsewhere that this was likely the result of geofencing to prevent Russian forces from utilizing Starlink. Would explain why the Ukrainian devices worked until they moved into freshly liberated territory, if the geofencing maps can't keep up with (or stay aware of) the advances of Ukrainian forces.

[Putin]

It’s my birthday, It’s my birthday, It’s my birthday !

I turn 70 today. Woohoo !

Comrade Cono and Comrade Rod, thank you for your support. I couldn’t do it without you.

[Casey E]

It’s my birthday, It’s my birthday, It’s my birthday !

I turn 70 today. Woohoo !

Cri cri…., and…. happy birthday Vlad!

“Ukrainian, Russian and Belarusian civil rights campaigners have been named joint winners of this year's Nobel Peace Prize

Jailed rights activist Ales Bialiatski was honoured for his work in Belarus; his wife said she was "overwhelmed with emotion"

Human rights organisations Memorial - in Russia - as well as Ukraine's Center for Civil Liberties were also winners and have welcomed the news

They were praised by the Nobel Committee for their "outstanding effort to document war crimes, human right abuses and the abuse of power"

The choices have been greeted by Western leaders - but Belarus has hit out at the decisions, as has a Russian presidential adviser

The award is given annually to a person - or people - who have worked to benefit humankind

Separately, the UN Human Rights Council has voted to appoint a special expert to monitor human rights in Russia”

Memorial, already shut down, will now have to fork over their assets. They didn’t heed Fadeev

“Putin adviser suggests Memorial turn Nobel down
More now from Russian presidential adviser Valery Fadeev, who's been criticising the Nobel Committee and the recipients of its peace prize.

Fadeev told the Tass news agency that the organisation of Belarusian activist Ales Bialatski was "tasked with destroying Belarusian statehood".

Commenting on Memorial - a rights group banned in Russia - Fadeev said: "I would like to advise Memorial to turn the prize down, if it wants to preserve at least some positive memories of itself".”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-63166525