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    Quote Originally Posted by XavierD View Post
    Similar to how the United States withheld capabilities in our last two decades experience in the Middle East and Central Asia Adventure Zones, Russia doesnít need to use everything in Ukraine as neither are fights for survival. Russia is still a country if they lose this war.
    Cringe.
    The US has been essentially fighting guerilla bands who shoot RPGs at helicopters, rather than near-peers capable of blunting a mass offensive the way Ukraine did with Budget Barbarossa.
    Russia has lost much of their tech in this war - entire EW/ECM platforms designed to jam synthetic aperture radar and other remote sensing as well as log NATO signals - captured intact and shipped to the US and other NATO countries for reverse engineering, shitloads of mil drones, entire unexploded Kalibr cruise missiles, etc

    Russian reactive armor has also been shown to be a joke, and their turret-popping main battle tanks and their tank doctrine in its entirety has been shown to be obsolete.
    Same goes for their combined arms in general - fucking joke. Probably because someone stole all the radios...

    Russia as we knew it for the last few years is already gone. Russia might be a country after getting their peepee whacked in Ukraine, but Putin will have gone too far and the propaganda bubble will burst. That will be the end of Pootie Poot, who was always just a pretentious actor playing a role anyway.

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    Beautiful rendition of the Star Spangled Banner by Ukraine.

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    A take on the German army, how it became weak, and the reforms it needs to become effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunfree View Post
    demonstrably false, with evidence, but you gotta sell your narrative and you ain’t gonna change. Russia has used most of their demonstrated nonnuclear toolbox, but sporadically and thus ineffectively, and the question should be if they even could deploy effectively (do they have these systems en masse with trained personnel?). Anyways, we’re up to over 10% of their modern combat choppers lost so far.
    What’s my narrative?

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    Quote Originally Posted by XavierD View Post
    Similar to how the United States withheld capabilities in our last two decades experience in the Middle East and Central Asia Adventure Zones, Russia doesnít need to use everything in Ukraine as neither are fights for survival. Russia is still a country if they lose this war.
    Basically they are holding back the capabilities they feel risking would expose them to aggression from NATO or China. Primarily strategic air power as well as the majority of their precision and rapid response artillery. Shit thatís expensive and not easily replaced. . They have made minimal effort to dominate the Ukrainian sky. Most of their fighters and bombers are staying outside of Ukraine. Ukrainian artillery is getting all day to fire and jump. Yes they are still getting hit with counter battery but itís relatively unresponsive. To me that says they arenít deploying their doctrinal artillery to ground unit ratios. Even while withholding significant artillery capabilities Russia is still outshooting Ukraine. They just have more.

    EW capabilities they donít want us to sniff and collect intelligence on. Ukraine continues to talk and use radar effectively and accurately. They arenít getting spoofed of jammed with the effects Russia has previously demonstrated capacity. Once they use these systems in a battle field like Ukraine they become exposed for us to collect on and start developing technological and tactical counter measures. Same with China.
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    RU ammo dumps are being destroyed at a ridiculous pace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Barron DeJong View Post
    Counter point. He has a Ukrainian flag as part of his Twitter handle.

    Russia has slowed down their offensive because they are content to just sit and trade artillery rounds with Ukraine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highangle View Post
    The biggest problem with Russians is: Get more than 2 of them in a room together, and one of them will start calling himself "General"...


    I have a little theory that PootyPoot may have been sucka'd into this Z-invasion by purposely inaccurate intelligence of Ukraine, and of Russian strength. Same way they told him supply trucks were ready to roll and T72 reactive armor will stop a missile...

    If you're gonna be an Eye in a Tower [Brain in a Vat], you best have good ways to sense the world around you.
    Did you read the early accounts? They didn't even do intel as they believed their own bullshit that Ukrainians are all Russian at heart and didn't expect all the people they bribed to say "peace" and just skip out on them.
    Total clown shoes hubris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XavierD View Post
    Counter point. He has a Ukrainian flag as part of his Twitter handle.

    Russia has slowed down their offensive because they are content to just sit and trade artillery rounds with Ukraine.
    Quote Originally Posted by XavierD View Post
    What’s my narrative?
    forget so quick?

    I proffer that Russia doesn’t have much of a choice. They can trade artillery or quit. Quitting now is bad for the rulers who are still trying to find an objective that will let them declare victory. Their military demonstrated it isn’t capable of significant combined arms. It’s just big dumb guns like 1915. They aren’t content, they are stuck

    think how insane “Russia has the capability of complete air superiority with minimal losses, but is happy just murdering their civilians and territorial objectives, because they want to get rid of old shit” sounds


    and you’ve never countered the Russian inability to manufacture modern arms without a western supply chain. They are hollow

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    Quote Originally Posted by XavierD View Post
    Counter point. He has a Ukrainian flag as part of his Twitter handle.

    Russia has slowed down their offensive because they are content to just sit and trade artillery rounds with Ukraine.
    It was written by the defense reporter for the Kyiv Independent. Retweeted by a Prof. of strategic studies from Scotland.

    What sources are your views being shaped by?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunfree View Post
    forget so quick?

    I proffer that Russia doesn’t have much of a choice. They can trade artillery or quit. Quitting now is bad for the rulers who are still trying to find an objective that will let them declare victory. Their military demonstrated it isn’t capable of significant combined arms. It’s just big dumb guns like 1915. They aren’t content, they are stuck

    think how insane “Russia has the capability of complete air superiority with minimal losses, but is happy just murdering their civilians and territorial objectives, because they want to get rid of old shit” sounds


    and you’ve never countered the Russian inability to manufacture modern arms without a western supply chain. They are hollow
    Again what’s my narrative?

    I’m offering my assessment based on my experience with Ukrainian military, observations, and analysis of others assessments. Most of whom are former/current western military or intelligence officials. Not social media reports. Ukraine has done an excellent job of controlling the narrative that is reaching back to the west on this. They are doing a great job of keeping news of Ukrainian casualties and losses quite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XavierD View Post
    Counter point. He has a Ukrainian flag as part of his Twitter handle.

    Russia has slowed down their offensive because they are content to just sit and trade artillery rounds with Ukraine.
    Quote Originally Posted by XavierD View Post
    Again what’s my narrative?

    I’m offering my assessment based on my experience with Ukrainian military, observations, and analysis of others assessments. Most of whom are former/current western military or intelligence officials. Not social media reports. Ukraine has done an excellent job of controlling the narrative that is reaching back to the west on this. They are doing a great job of keeping news of Ukrainian casualties and losses quite.
    fuck off im super smart with inside info I can’t tell you about, even though I was never anything

    i told you, yer just being a stupid cunt

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    Quote Originally Posted by XavierD View Post
    Again what’s my narrative?

    I’m offering my assessment based on my experience with Ukrainian military, observations, and analysis of others assessments. Most of whom are former/current western military or intelligence officials. Not social media reports. Ukraine has done an excellent job of controlling the narrative that is reaching back to the west on this. They are doing a great job of keeping news of Ukrainian casualties and losses quite.
    How many men and women did Ukraine conscript in the beginning of this latest Russian invasion? A couple million or more, right?
    Some have been through basic and ait or weapons already, and are on the lines much better trained, equipped, disciplined, and motivated than their orcish counterparts.

    Numbers? Ukraine is fighting for you and me and the rest of the civilized world who won't suffer the yoke of imperial aggression. NATO will not let Ukraine fall, even with T*&^% in the White House [which is guaranteed not to happen now, with T*&^%'s SCOTUS]. The brilliant strategist Putain should have known this...

    Russia ~150ish million
    NATO ~ a billionish, and more than 50x the industrial might

    What would Sun Tsu say, sir? "Go nukular and end the world?" meh
    What Russian say? "I push Big Button to end world and Disneyland because Bald Head not able to further latest ambition?" Nyet

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Barron DeJong View Post
    It was written by the defense reporter for the Kyiv Independent. Retweeted by a Prof. of strategic studies from Scotland.

    What sources are your views being shaped by?
    super secret ones he can’t tell you about.

    yea Xavier Ukraine has well shaped a narrative and somewhat an information flow. Russia has also attempted this and largely failed because of failures in the flow vs reality. I’m sure though russia could win tomorrow if they wanted

    and they are so super smart they can recombinate western tech into unbeatable weapons. Look for a different pipeline, analyst is like influencer

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    Have I ever once said we should stop supporting Ukraine with weapons?

    I’m pretty sure I acknowledged Russia is Soldier for Soldier tactically worse than Ukraine is. They still have a fuck ton of men weapons and equipment. Ukrainians are fighting for their survival. They are highly motivated. They are still pretty fucking terrible at fighting by NATO standards. Russia is just worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XavierD View Post
    Have I ever once said we should stop supporting Ukraine with weapons?

    I’m pretty sure I acknowledged Russia is Soldier for Soldier tactically worse than Ukraine is. They still have a fuck ton of men weapons and equipment.
    maybe you aren’t right about the men part? I mean, press ganging people you’ve liberated doesn’t suggest a surplus. Never mind I mr don’t know my narrative

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    Quote Originally Posted by XavierD View Post
    Have I ever once said we should stop supporting Ukraine with weapons?

    I’m pretty sure I acknowledged Russia is Soldier for Soldier tactically worse than Ukraine is. They still have a fuck ton of men weapons and equipment. Ukrainians are fighting for their survival. They are highly motivated. They are still pretty fucking terrible at fighting by NATO standards. Russia is just worse.
    Have you ever seen NATO fight a rear guard action? I don't recall one...

    Look at the fkn rent these militias are charging for their territory. Russia captures rubble, and has lost close to 40k orcs, some of whom die cornered in piles, some who are struck down while livestreaming... Thousands of tanks and hundreds of helicopters...They lost the information war before it started. The whole fucking world is against Russia, who has conveniently labeled us all "Nazis" anyway... lol, don't read too much into their press releases, mate.

    Biggest danger is getting Qanonified and intellectually peasantized like the old Russians, with their Cambridge Analytica-engineered fantasy bubble.

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    Thing I read said Russia is just trying to keep this afloat until it starts to get cold so they can try to squeeze Europe to cut the weapons flow in exchange for gas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ųtzi View Post
    Thing I read said Russia is just trying to keep this afloat until it starts to get cold so they can try to squeeze Europe to cut the weapons flow in exchange for gas.
    german unions say the industrial apocalypse is coming next week; note the German glass industry is very high value/tech

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    high value and high tech yet highly dependent on resources from a known enemy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m2711c View Post
    high value and high tech yet highly dependent on resources from a known enemy.
    But it worked so well for them over the last 30 years. Winder if Greece gets to call some shots soon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ųtzi View Post
    Thing I read said Russia is just trying to keep this afloat until it starts to get cold so they can try to squeeze Europe to cut the weapons flow in exchange for gas.
    Yeah, for all the discussion about which side has a military advantage I think it's important to recognize the outcome is a policy choice. The Western pro-Ukraine alliance has something like a 40-to-1 GDP advantage versus Russia.

    Russia's numerical superiority was not decisive when its armed forces were still pursuing a totally unrealistic war plan ("we take Kiev & they surrender." ) Now massed Russian artillery is grinding down Ukraine's forces. Too few Western 155mm howitzers and shells have arrived.

    But Russia is really just a continent-sized Florida with nukes. They can't win a conventional war against the West unless the West decides not to fight, for whatever reason.

    And the outcome should matter a great deal to the West. Not so much to prevent Russia from invading other European countries in the future, but because if Russia turns the Black Sea into a Russian lake that will change the balance of power in the Middle East and Africa. Russia aligned with Turkey and Iran and in control of key regional commodities like food staples and petroleum would be problematic to say the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    Yeah, for all the discussion about which side has a military advantage I think it's important to recognize the outcome is a policy choice. The Western pro-Ukraine alliance has something like a 40-to-1 GDP advantage versus Russia.

    Russia's numerical superiority was not decisive when its armed forces were still pursuing a totally unrealistic war plan ("we take Kiev & they surrender." ) Now massed Russian artillery is grinding down Ukraine's forces. Too few Western 155mm howitzers and shells have arrived.

    But Russia is really just a continent-sized Florida with nukes. They can't win a conventional war against the West unless the West decides not to fight, for whatever reason.

    And the outcome should matter a great deal to the West. Not so much to prevent Russia from invading other European countries in the future, but because if Russia turns the Black Sea into a Russian lake that will change the balance of power in the Middle East and Africa. Russia aligned with Turkey and Iran and in control of key regional commodities like food staples and petroleum would be problematic to say the least.
    And i hope that the west will not confront Russia in a real war.

    Probably the minority view here though, and I'm ok with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    Yeah, for all the discussion about which side has a military advantage I think it's important to recognize the outcome is a policy choice. The Western pro-Ukraine alliance has something like a 40-to-1 GDP advantage versus Russia.

    Russia's numerical superiority was not decisive when its armed forces were still pursuing a totally unrealistic war plan ("we take Kiev & they surrender." ) Now massed Russian artillery is grinding down Ukraine's forces. Too few Western 155mm howitzers and shells have arrived.

    But Russia is really just a continent-sized Florida with nukes. They can't win a conventional war against the West unless the West decides not to fight, for whatever reason.

    And the outcome should matter a great deal to the West. Not so much to prevent Russia from invading other European countries in the future, but because if Russia turns the Black Sea into a Russian lake that will change the balance of power in the Middle East and Africa. Russia aligned with Turkey and Iran and in control of key regional commodities like food staples and petroleum would be problematic to say the least.
    Ya well we've got the REAL Florida and bunch more shithole states so hold our beer Russia..

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    Quote Originally Posted by rod9301 View Post
    And i hope that the west will not confront Russia in a real war.

    Probably the minority view here though, and I'm ok with this.

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    I donít think anyone here wants a war between NATO and Russia.

    It would appear Russia doesnít want that either:

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