Demo bindings as DD?

[Shorty_J]

0.5cm feels different to me for sure. 1cm can be as big of a difference as switching to a different ski.

This.

I also think demos ski fine but even if they don't you could find your favorite mount point with the demos and then pull them off and put something else on at your preferred location.

[iriponsnow]

Suuure dude. Sure.

We don't all ski in Vermont. They're fine in western US snowpacks or for nonracers.

I’ve almost lost friendships over this one & am willing to die on this hill; OP inquired, I responded. Not trying to yuk anyone’s yum.

[CaliBrit]

I’ve almost lost friendships over this one & am willing to die on this hill; OP inquired, I responded. Not trying to yuk anyone’s yum.

What bindings do you ski?

[iriponsnow]

What bindings do you ski?

Mostly STH2 & Pivots on freeride skis.

[CaliBrit]

Mostly STH2 & Pivots on freeride skis.

I kind of get the argument with Pivots. It’s a unique connection to the ski, not one I’m particularly familiar with.

With something like the STH2 the heel sits on an adjustable heel track. In a non garbage demo the toe sits on a similar track. As long as the execution is good and there is not play in either track I just don’t see the argument how they are particularity different.

I’d agree some demo bindings are only good for the blue cruiser crowd. But not all.

Anyway probably won’t shift your opinion in any way but that’s the facts as I see them.

[skis_the_trees]

I’ve almost lost friendships over this one & am willing to die on this hill; OP inquired, I responded. Not trying to yuk anyone’s yum.

Yea no worries. I also run dull edges, scraped bases, old Barons on my DD skis and spend a lot of time on tech bindings in 2 buckle boots. So if the reference is race skis and crushing hardpack demo bindings might not be as good. If the reference is Dynafits in rando nerd boots, demo bindings and a boot like a Scarpa Freedom SLs is incredible.

[XXX-er]

I’ve almost lost friendships over this one & am willing to die on this hill; OP inquired, I responded. Not trying to yuk anyone’s yum.

obvouisly you need to try harder

I'm personly not in the habit of skiing on a piste where you can read the writing on a gum label buried below the surface in which case i might want un demo bindings but

[Spyderjon]

The wormdrive Squire/Griffon Demo's were discontinued years ago and have been replaced by 'lever activated' length adjustment. And the Griffon heel changed a couple of years ago and now has a redesigned pivot making it a lot easier to step in to.
And unlike the consumer versions the Squire/Griffon Demo's don't have ID toes, they're alpine/GW only. The big benefit with them, assuming you don't want to use at AT boot, is that you can buy the base sets seperately to mount on other skis - which you can't do with other brands.

Wha?! Really!?
You can buy the rails separately?
Where and how much?
I probably wouldn't change what I'm doing, but that's quite cool.

I sell them: https://www.thepisteoffice.com/index...o-bases-detail
The tax free export price is GBP30.00 per pair + shipping with discounts for multiple pairs, which makes the shipping cheaper per pair as well. I sell loads of ‘em every year with a lot for export. Dead easy to mount as well as once you’ve got a centre line they base are their own jig.

[Shorty_J]

I sell them: https://www.thepisteoffice.com/index...o-bases-detail
The tax free export price is GBP30.00 per pair + shipping with discounts for multiple pairs, which makes the shipping cheaper per pair as well. I sell loads of ‘em every year with a lot for export. Dead easy to mount as well as once you’ve got a centre line they base are their own jig.

Oh man... the last time I stepped into markers I did not like the heel piece... but being able to buy demo tracks might make me deal with that.

Thanks for the info!

[gregorys]

I sell them: https://www.thepisteoffice.com/index...o-bases-detail
The tax free export price is GBP30.00 per pair + shipping with discounts for multiple pairs, which makes the shipping cheaper per pair as well. I sell loads of ‘em every year with a lot for export. Dead easy to mount as well as once you’ve got a centre line they base are their own jig.

That's really cool.
I learned something new today, kids!

Like I said, I'm not super fond of the Marker Griffon demo but it could really fit into someone else's world.
Thanks for following up!

[altacoup]

I sell them: https://www.thepisteoffice.com/index...o-bases-detail
The tax free export price is GBP30.00 per pair + shipping with discounts for multiple pairs, which makes the shipping cheaper per pair as well. I sell loads of ‘em every year with a lot for export. Dead easy to mount as well as once you’ve got a centre line they base are their own jig.

Someone please explain to me why the best ski shop in the world is located in the UK? Every time someone has some super odd gear question/request Spyderjon knows or sells the answer. Do you sell tyrolia plates too? I mainly ski pivots. Dislike sth2 and marker. Have a few tyrolias that I like with and some tyrolia demo binders on some praxis pow boards that feel exactly like the non demo binders.


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[singlecross]

Tyrolia does not sell the demo bases separately. I have inquired at several of my buddies ski shops and hit up Spyderjon. My last ditch effort was to try through a old Head race room friend. No dice. Bummer.

[Duffman]

Tyrolia does not sell the demo bases separately. I have inquired at several of my buddies ski shops and hit up Spyderjon. My last ditch effort was to try through a old Head race room friend. No dice. Bummer.

Anyone ever find the Warden baseplates available anywhere?

[Steffenator]

Thread bump.
Anyone here happy (or not) with the Strive 13 demo binding as daily driver (soft and firm conditions)?

Mount points drive me insane. On most skis 0.5cm is a significant difference. Plus it would be cool to let friends use 'em! Especially on the Line Blade I just bought
Let me know if I'm about to make a huge mistake ha

A couple subjective anecdotes in response to earlier comments in this thread:

• The Pivot toe connection is very good but overrated imo.
• Nothing can give you a worse ski experience than AT frame bindings (duke, baron, guardian). Like running in sand...
• low-tech toes give the best toe connection. Obviously its jarring a-f and the missing elasticity will release way more frequently, but damn if that setup doesn't feel laser precise. love it.
• Alpine heels are under substantial active spring tension, which is why the play in the heelpiece doesn't matter like it does in the toe piece.

[SoVT Joey]

Steffenator meet sherminator

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aiWUGZ2ykeA

[CaliBrit]

Thread bump.
Anyone here happy (or not) with the Strive 13 demo binding as daily driver (soft and firm conditions)?

Mount points drive me insane. On most skis 0.5cm is a significant difference. Plus it would be cool to let friends use 'em! Especially on the Line Blade I just bought
Let me know if I'm about to make a huge mistake ha

A couple subjective anecdotes in response to earlier comments in this thread:

• The Pivot toe connection is very good but overrated imo.
• Nothing can give you a worse ski experience than AT frame bindings (duke, baron, guardian). Like running in sand...
• low-tech toes give the best toe connection. Obviously its jarring a-f and the missing elasticity will release way more frequently, but damn if that setup doesn't feel laser precise. love it.
• Alpine heels are under substantial active spring tension, which is why the play in the heelpiece doesn't matter like it does in the toe piece.

Not sure of the relevance of most of your points to your original question but the strive demo skis great. Low stack. Looks pretty much like the regular.

[Shorty_J]

Not sure of the relevance of most of your points to your original question but the strive demo skis great. Low stack. Looks pretty much like the regular.

I'm not positive but I thought I remembered someone posting the stack height of these and it's pretty much the same as the attack2 demo... but I'm not falling on that sword if someone else knows otherwise.

The best demo bindings that I have personally skied are the original attack demo... by far the lowest stack height. I've skied the attack2 demo and it fealt too high up.... but the old ones are harder to find now and they don't play with gripwalk, at least not officially.

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[Bandit Man]

Demos are a compromise. I’ve used them extensively over the past few seasons to share gear with my son and buddies. On heavier skis, the difference between normal and demo bindings tends to be less noticeable to me. I’ve been partial to Warden13’s performance wise, but they are about the heaviest demo out there. Been supplementing with the GW-compatible Griffon 13 this year, and those ski fine, too.

What I think is funny is that all the ski tests are done with demos of some sort, including Blister. Chew on that as you consider whether or not that has any bearing on ski feel/performance/results.

[CaliBrit]

Demos are a compromise. I’ve used them extensively over the past few seasons to share gear with my son and buddies. On heavier skis, the difference between normal and demo bindings tends to be less noticeable to me. I’ve been partial to Warden13’s performance wise, but they are about the heaviest demo out there. Been supplementing with the GW-compatible Griffon 13 this year, and those ski fine, too.

What I think is funny is that all the ski tests are done with demos of some sort, including Blister. Chew on that as you consider whether or not that has any bearing on ski feel/performance/results.

I’d honestly say the strive demos are not a compromise.

[whambat]

I got my kid some used demo skis with the Strive demos on it. It’s low. I remember reading it has the same stack height as the regular Strive. It’s been nice to be able to change the mount point for him as they are on Bent 100s that he uses in the park and as his skinny big mountain ski and the standard mount point is at -8cm. -6cm suits him better and don’t have to pay for a remount. I’d consider getting those Strive Demos for a ski like the Sender Free 110 which has multiple mount lines 2cm apart. They don’t feel heavy like old demo binders, and the boot seems solid with no slop, so there doesn’t seem to be a negative.

[zion zig zag]

So if you mounted a Demo Strive in the middle of its range, on the line, how many cm fore and aft could you get out of it?


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[CaliBrit]

So if you mounted a Demo Strive in the middle of its range, on the line, how many cm fore and aft could you get out of it?


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Depends a bit on your bsl. The jig is centered on 315. You can f around with heel and toe relative positions to center on your bsl.

But about +/- 3cm.

[zion zig zag]

Depends a bit on your bsl. The jig is centered on 315. You can f around with heel and toe relative positions to center on your bsl.

But about +/- 3cm.

Wow, that’s pretty decent.

[SoVT Joey]

Strive demo is 253-376mm. So it’s even more than 3cm. It’s actually closer to 6cm that you can move forward of the line or back. That’s for an assumption of a 315.

[CaliBrit]

Strive demo is 253-376mm. So it’s even more than 3cm. It’s actually closer to 6cm that you can move forward of the line or back. That’s for an assumption of a 315.

No mate. If you are a 315 boot and exact middle of the binding and you move up to 376 toe position your midsole has moves a touch over 3cm. Same is true for going back to 253 toe position.

You have a 6cm total range of position.