Backlash Against Vail Resorts

[Buster Highmen]

[Ottime]

Epic passes on your phone, I’m sure that’s totally unhackable.

https://unofficialnetworks.com/2022/...igital-passes/

I’m in Singapore right now and everything is on your phone. The level of security to do anything but a way more than in the US. If they build it right it is totally not hackable. I have several passes on my phone tied to my phone number. If someone else with a different number tried to sign into the app with my credentials, the operation would get an alert and the person would not be able to sign in as they would not receive the OTP. Even if I provided them I’m with the OTP, the Ap checks the phones credentials once sign in. There is no such thing as privacy’s here.

Not claiming VR would actually build their system to work like that, but it is possible.

I feel like I am in future world, and while it’s nearly impossible to steal my credit card info and use it fraudulently, everyone knows what I’m doing where all the time.

[This End Up]

I’m in Singapore right now and everything is on your phone. The level of security to do anything but a way more than in the US. If they build it right it is totally not hackable. I have several passes on my phone tied to my phone number. If someone else with a different number tried to sign into the app with my credentials, the operation would get an alert and the person would not be able to sign in as they would not receive the OTP. Even if I provided them I’m with the OTP, the Ap checks the phones credentials once sign in. There is no such thing as privacy’s here.

Not claiming VR would actually build their system to work like that, but it is possible.

I feel like I am in future world, and while it’s nearly impossible to steal my credit card info and use it fraudulently, everyone knows what I’m doing where all the time.

Good, however most of these systems are designed to stop a hacker who has stolen your information. For skiing I image a different senario. Such as two bros who just want to get a lower price for skiing. One bro works 9-5 and is a weekend warrior, the other bro is a ski bum and skis 9 to noon during the week. The 9-5 bro gets a confirmation request on his phone every weekday around 9am, and he pushes the "Accept" button.

[Danno]

Maybe you should, ya know, read the article.

[MakersTeleMark]

Maybe you should, ya know, read the article.

Unreal shit going on right here. And also thinking VR fans run that fast.

[Elkhound Odin]

Did Vail buy shares in OpenPath?

[J. Barron DeJong]

https://twitter.com/christianbrits/s...GIZdL9it4zP1PQ

[iriponsnow]

^its not about the sheep

[XavierD]

https://twitter.com/christianbrits/s...GIZdL9it4zP1PQ

NIMBYism at its finest

[XavierD]

For those who didn’t catch it YoY epic pass and epic local pass sales were down 10%. Overall prebook products were up 9% (4 packs or whatever they call them). Vail spent ~$20m relocating lifts to Whistler after Park City blocked their permitting for upgrade at PCMR. Vail operating at about 30% Margin

[MakersTeleMark]

NIMBYism at its finest

You couldn't have read the issue more incorrectly. But nice gut reaction.

[XavierD]

You couldn't have read the issue more incorrectly. But nice gut reaction.

No, it’s rich people protecting their property value by preventing additional “poor people” housing. It’s NIMBYISM. Folks can’t find a place to live and we care about big horn sheep? Give me a break. No one would have batted an eye if was being developed into multi million dollar single family homes, just like they haven’t said anything as areas around Vail got that treatment. If the big horn sheep are going to survive it’s not going to come down to some dormitories directly overlooking I-70.

Much of conservationism these days is just as much about property value for the ultra rich.

[m2711c]

Fact.

[Danno]

You couldn't have read the issue more incorrectly. But nice gut reaction.

Rather than just snarkily deriding someone else's take, why don't you regale us with your reading of the issue?

[Name Redacted]

Town of Vail sucks just as bad as Vail Resorts. Stop thinking that there is a good guy and a bad guy in this fight, and the shit will always run downhill.

[altasnob]

At first I assumed rich NIMBY stuff too, but looking at the land for the proposed development, it is really land that should never be developed regardless if it is employee housing or Elon Musk's new crib. It borders the Eagles Nest Wilderness area. There is a hiking trail up Pitkin Creek into that wilderness that would pass by this development. It is an extremely steep slope. And that slope leads directly up to pristine, remote mountains.

The city of Vail offered Vail $12 million for the land. Vail rejected that offered so the city sued for eminent domain where the court will now set the purchase price. It could be much more than $12 million (or less). If Vail and their taxpayers want to shell out to protect this land, good for them. The city will be paying Vail fair market price for the land so what's really problem?







https://unofficialnetworks.com/2022/...iles-petition/

Stick those Mexican employees down valley where they belong, eh, MTM?

[summit]

No, it’s rich people protecting their property value by preventing additional “poor people” housing. It’s NIMBYISM. Folks can’t find a place to live and we care about big horn sheep? Give me a break. No one would have batted an eye if was being developed into multi million dollar single family homes, just like they haven’t said anything as areas around Vail got that treatment. If the big horn sheep are going to survive it’s not going to come down to some dormitories directly overlooking I-70.

Much of conservationism these days is just as much about property value for the ultra rich.

Nothing you said is wrong.

There is some nuance here, such as VR having some better parcels to build on, particularly in ways that wouldn't stress local transit, but VR doesn't want to. Does that make it OK for the Town to go back on its previous approval of this housing project and to try and steal VR's land to force VR to do it the the new way the Town just decided they wanted? Fuck no in my book.

Literally the only time in my life I've taken VR's side.

[altasnob]

steal VR's land .

The city is paying for it. Sounds like you disagree, in principal, with the concept of eminent domain. Governments can use eminent domain to acquire land for any public purpose. Keeping land next to wilderness undeveloped is a public purpose.

[hatchgreenchile]

Wildland preservation is important, especially when it's 5 acres next to an interstate.
These are the things worth fighting for.

[Name Redacted]

The only reason the sheep like that spot so much is because the mag chloride makes the grass extra tasty.

[This End Up]

Stick those Mexican employees down valley where they belong, eh, MTM?

A wee bit racist, and I should know, but not necessarily a bad idea. Vail could buy acres and acres around the town a Gypsum to build employee housing and then invest in a private bussing system for employees.

[summit]

The city is paying for it. Sounds like you disagree, in principal, with the concept of eminent domain. Governments can use eminent domain to acquire land for any public purpose. Keeping land next to wilderness undeveloped is a public purpose.

Eminent domain was not in my opinion intended for government to go, "oh this is a nice idea lets do some takings... we like that plan today vs last week when we thought something else was a nice idea."

Critical community good accomplishable no other way, like an interstate? Sure.

[altasnob]

Critical community good accomplishable no other way, like an interstate? Sure.

Eminent domain doesn't have to be for "critical" things like roads. The statutes vary by state, but in general, governments are allowed to use eminent domain for things like parks, and open lands, that are not necessarily "critical."

It will be interesting to see if Vail counter-sues the city arguing that the city's eminent domain is not for an appropriate "public use."

[summit]

Eminent domain doesn't have to be for "critical" things like roads. The statutes vary by state, but in general, governments are allowed to use eminent domain for things like parks, and open lands, that are not necessarily "critical."

It will be interesting to see if Vail counter-sues the city arguing that the city's eminent domain is not for an appropriate "public use."

I gave you my opinion on how it ought to work. I did not give my interpretation of the law as that is not my specialty.

[mmmm...pow!]

The city is paying for it. Sounds like you disagree, in principal, with the concept of eminent domain. Governments can use eminent domain to acquire land for any public purpose. Keeping land next to wilderness undeveloped is a public purpose.

I think you are confused. The land WITHIN wilderness should be undeveloped. I love wilderness and forests and nature as much as the next person, but every time more land is deemed special and given wilderness or open space or conservancy designations, the price of land nearby goes up.
But I would be all for eminent domain if it means bulldozing a few mansions and dividing up the land for a few dozen locals to put prefab or tiny homes.