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Thread: Backlash Against Vail Resorts
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03-07-2022, 10:17 AM #226Is it radix panax notoginseng? - splat
This is like hanging yourself but the rope breaks. - DTM
Dude Listen to mtm. He's a marriage counselor at burning man. - subtle plague
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03-07-2022, 10:57 AM #227
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03-07-2022, 11:08 AM #228
It's so the lifties will leave early and not get their bonus. They typically close at the end of the second week of April, now the will slim back operations for two extra weeks, and lifties will get only 20-24 hrs of shifts for two week. Will they go join their landscaping jobs for 40+hrs a week and forfeit their Vail bonus. or will they stick around for only 20hs a week just to get this bonus.
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03-07-2022, 11:39 AM #229Is it radix panax notoginseng? - splat
This is like hanging yourself but the rope breaks. - DTM
Dude Listen to mtm. He's a marriage counselor at burning man. - subtle plague
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03-07-2022, 11:40 AM #230
I finally listened to the Katz interview on my drive home yesterday and you're right; he danced around a lot of the topics, and didn't take much ownership of any of the problems they're facing. He kept saying that they're getting unfairly targeted on social media this year, and tried to deflect any criticisms that were brought up. When he was specifically asked about how they will improve next year, he didn't even really answer the question. It's easy to see he doesn't care; he knows they're going to keep pulling in pass sales revenue, and he doesn't give a damn about the actual experience.
my head is perpetually in the clouds
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03-07-2022, 02:55 PM #231
^^^^
And that’s it in a nutshell. VR has your money and doesn’t give a fuck.
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03-14-2022, 03:33 PM #232
Backlash Against Vail Resorts
From a company email today by Kirsten Lynch
New $20 per hour minimum wage at all 37 North American mountain resorts and corporate.
New $21 per hour minimum for Patrol, Maintenance Technicians and Certified Commercial Vehicle Drivers.
New CAD $20 per hour minimum wage at Whistler Blackcomb, from current CAD $15.20.
Guaranteed minimum of $20 per hour for tipped roles.
Hourly employee wages will increase with compression adjustments based on leadership and career stage differentials.
This represents an average wage increase of nearly 30% across hourly employees in North America
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03-14-2022, 03:58 PM #233
Housing is still the nut to be cracked.
I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.
"Happiest years of my life were earning < $8.00 and hour, collecting unemployment every spring and fall, no car, no debt and no responsibilities. 1984-1990 Park City UT"
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03-14-2022, 04:03 PM #234
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03-14-2022, 05:27 PM #235
I sense a significant increase is pass prices coming.
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03-14-2022, 06:15 PM #236
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03-14-2022, 06:34 PM #237
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03-14-2022, 10:10 PM #238
Lack of an HR department was the main gripe I heard from actual employees. Housing was next up. Both are being addressed in the email. We will see if done in a significant manner.
Stated a significant investment in affordable on mountain housing development as well as commitment to build more as they get permits approved by local governments.
This set of initiatives, if followed through on, would make MTN highly competitive for seasonal workers in pretty much every community they are in. It will hit some independent businesses in their zones relatively hard for a work force.
Agree the cost of an epic pass needs to go up.
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03-15-2022, 08:12 AM #239
When will they announce next season’s pricing and offerings?
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03-15-2022, 05:53 PM #240
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05-22-2022, 04:16 PM #241Registered User
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Boy, so many anti Vail threads that I’m not sure which ones to bump. The fuckers are directly responsible for this death.
https://vtdigger.org/2022/05/22/stat...ployees-death/
10 days after buying Stowe they were already arguing to ignore manufacturers requirements to replace safety equipment yearly. Jamie Barrow needs to choke on a bag of dicks.
On June 17, 2017, 10 days after Vail Resorts announced it had closed on its purchase of Stowe Mountain Resort, the director of operations and risk management at Vail Resorts, Jamie Barrow, sent an email to the president of Terra Nova, Eric Cylvick, objecting to Terra Nova’s recommendation that the lanyards be replaced every year if they were under heavy use.
“The term heavy use is undefinable,” Barrow replied. “We are not willing to accept your change to another company’s retirement criteria without a clear safety alert or service bulletin per ASTM We will continue to follow the Petzl retirement data that is clear and definitive.” (ATSM was formerly known as American Society for Testing and Materials.)
The next day, Cylvick wrote back.
“It is our opinion that this is Petzl’s requirement,” Cylvick said, citing the company’s standards for uses ranging from “occasional” to “intensive.”
Terra Nova sent out an additional alert on Oct. 24, 2019, reminding users to replace the lanyards annually.
Again, Barrow resisted. He emailed Terra Nova the same day with a four-point email, including questioning whether Terra Nova did “really intend to have this as a safety alert as this would mean all zip-tours worldwide would need to shut down until all lanyards greater than a year old are replaced.”
Terra Nova maintained that ziplines constituted intensive use and refused to delete the safety alert, the report said.
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05-22-2022, 04:43 PM #242
Small world, I got Eric his 1st job ski patrolling way back in the late 80s in Park City, (actually just a matter of telling him to apply because he had his EMT and could ski and putting in a good word with the PD).
End of that season he asked what a few of us thought of him as a river guide, he had never, ever camped outside. Next thing ya know he was on the Middle Fork of the Salmon for about 10-15 years. Then he got into Zip-lines when they were in their infancy.
He is a good guy and if he says this is a safety issue I believe him.I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.
"Happiest years of my life were earning < $8.00 and hour, collecting unemployment every spring and fall, no car, no debt and no responsibilities. 1984-1990 Park City UT"
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05-22-2022, 08:42 PM #243
Is the state of vermont a little behind on what is an adequate inspection for zip lines?
I am a little disturbed that Vail decided what is safe and what is not safe.
In vermont you can't get a car to pass inspection when body panel's have a rust hole and Vail get's to decide what is safe for a zip line?
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05-23-2022, 05:47 AM #244Registered User
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I think historically Vermont has been pretty lenient with ski areas as they are a major economic driver for the state. By skimping on replacing the lanyard for 3 years they killed a guy and the state only fines then $27,306.
To go with your car inspection analogy, in 2015 the state charged a mechanic with manslaughter because he passed a car with rusty brake lines that crashed and killed someone. For sure they should have arrested Jamie Barrow for blatantly ignoring the manufacture’s requirements in order to boost Vail’s profit. Those lanyards probably cost a hundred bucks.
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05-23-2022, 09:30 AM #245
You'd think there will be a major civil suit or settlement. The state's findings could factor in prominently, despite the paltry fine.
Using lanyards three years is f'ing insane IMO. Those things are exposed to a lot of sun, which greatly weakens them.
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05-23-2022, 09:56 AM #246Registered User
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That's insane. If a company sells you a system that incorporates components made by other manufacturers and are possibly being used out of spec...you go with what they tell you.
You don't go to the zipline manufacturer and say "but Petzl normally rates these for 3 years under what I think a more fair characterization of usage is"...and I can't imagine your insurance company would be happy to hear you are pushing back on recommended service interval for your zipline system. I admit that 1-year seems a little extreme for a lanyard that only sees seasonal use, but ziplines/adventure parks are atypical use and involve frequent use by a bunch of random morons rather than say...rope work professionals maintaining, inspecting, and monitoring the service life of their own PPE (and who know how to treat them nicely and watch out for potential damage).
And a Petzl JANE-Y (what I assume they are using here) is $40 max at retail. Probably cheaper when bought in quantity from an industrial supplier. It is just a short piece of dynamic rope with some sewn loops and some plastic convenience sheath parts thrown on.
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05-23-2022, 10:09 AM #247
It's always amazing what fucktarded hills corporate douchebags decided are worth dying on to scrimp a few coins into their win column.
Originally Posted by blurred
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05-23-2022, 05:12 PM #248
Sounds like the deceased was an employee, so Vail's work comp policy will pay out.
If self-insured, MTN will likely conclude that paying out quickly and for more than policy amounts is probably the least-cost solution
If they have a 3rd party carrier for WC, it wouldn't surprise me to see carrier try to weasel out of paying on basis of safety violations. Then all hell breaks loose.
And agreed with @Summit that corp management can sometimes be so incredibly short sighted about things like safety protocols.
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05-23-2022, 05:22 PM #249
This is so fucking sad. Those janes are so cheap that they’re almost free by comparison to a Vail budget. Vail saving a couple bucks killed this poor fella
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