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Thread: To say anything or not?
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01-22-2022, 06:57 PM #76
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01-23-2022, 08:29 AM #77
Well, you always have that sorority pin.
I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.
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01-23-2022, 09:16 AM #78
If they aren't putting you and your party in any danger I'd mind my own business. We've all made questionable decisions and no one appreciates being reprimanded by the safety police.
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01-23-2022, 09:18 AM #79
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01-23-2022, 09:27 AM #80Registered User
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If they aren't putting you and your party in any danger I'd mind my own business. We've all made questionable decisions and no one appreciates being reprimanded by the safety police.
I can name a few other instances in CO where a guided group had a bad day due to the poor decision making by the guide.
If you are being compensated to lead a group and calling yourself a guide(and teacher), you should be prepared to receive criticism and take it seriously. You should be constantly trying to up your game to attempt to provide a safe trip for your guests, who have less experience, knowledge, and skill than you do.
This isn't about two private groups criticizing each other to boost egos, this is about a guide taking unnecessary risks with clients while in the roll of teacher and guide.Last edited by Name Redacted; 01-24-2022 at 08:48 AM.
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01-23-2022, 10:20 AM #81Hey
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01-23-2022, 10:23 AM #82Hey
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01-23-2022, 11:35 AM #83
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01-23-2022, 06:31 PM #84
I also was unaware that the Nose accident was a guided group. Please expound
Originally Posted by blurred
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01-24-2022, 08:43 AM #85
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01-24-2022, 08:54 AM #86Registered User
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My apologies guys, I somehow had it in my head that they were being guided. Maybe I heard that and wasn't public knowledge, or I just got it mixed up with another accident. I have edited my comment to delete that claim.
I do however stand by the rest of the comment, and there have been other high profile accidents where the group was being guided.
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01-24-2022, 10:17 AM #87
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01-24-2022, 12:39 PM #88Registered User
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When I worked for the CAIC and took courses/classes out into the field, I knew I was "the guide" that had to be as close to perfect as I could be. I always asked my students to question what I was doing (i.e., leading them this or that way, where I stopped, etc..). A lot of times students/clients are afraid/intimidated by their instructor/guide to say anything. In this case I think that was what was happening. The clients should have spoken up.....
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01-24-2022, 08:37 PM #89Burning the bridge
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As a professional in the biz I appreciate this dialogue. Can you briefly mention the events you know of?
There is a habit of keeping people in an information drought when it comes to involvements with professional organizations. When a fatality is involved the truth typically comes, but what of the near misses?
A close Canadian friend and veteran guide speaks of severe withholding of information among services. To the point that INFOEX reports are not complete or accurate. So what slips through the cracks?
Do we want all of this information to hold professionals accountable or are we interested in learning from the mistakes?
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01-29-2022, 10:28 AM #90
Communication.
We were skiing in a guided group from the Grands Montets towards the Argentiere Glacier. One of the group mentioned that he had fallen into a crevasse in the area with a different guide the day before. Our guide spent quite of time questioning the guy about exactly where it happened. (This was a low snow year with a lot of crevasse incidents, including an Italian guide killed on the regular VB from the Italian side.)
On the opposite end of the spectrum--skiing in a guided group in AK I triggered and was mostly buried in a small slide. There was no mention of the incident to any of the other guides or clients at the lodge. Maybe the slide was felt to be too small to mention? I was surprised that by the end of the week no one I mentioned it to was aware it had happened.
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