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Thread: Where to Invest Money Right Now?
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11-24-2022, 08:49 PM #426
In theory--ie an efficient market with rational actors--stocks are always at or very close to their true vaue--whatever that is. And for the most part it's true, although from time to time irrationality takes over--see Bitcoin. The wisdom of crowds. So knowing that a stock is truly undervalued implies some private source of information and buying before everyone else figures it out. Which is illegal, unless you're in Congress. Which is why fund managers, supposedly experts in the field unlike you and I, cannot consistenly do better than index funds over time.
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11-24-2022, 08:50 PM #427Rod9301
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Well, here's my definition.
Timing the market means trying to buy at the bottom and sell at the top. Which, in my mind is unknowable.
On the other hand, you know when a stock is below fair value, however you define this, and when is so far above fair value that future returns will be low.
This means that when a stock is above fair value it may go up a lot higher, but it doesn't matter, you're not trying to maximize profits, your trying to make a reasonable profit.
Graham described this very well in his book, written 100 years ago.
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11-24-2022, 09:03 PM #428
Rod is absolutely right, timing the market is a very different thing than timing a particular stock. And there absolutely are people who make money doing this. Doing it on an individual level is also not the same as doing it on an institutional level.
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11-25-2022, 09:45 AM #429
Yes, sorry, didn’t realize we were talking about undervalued stocks vs market as a whole.
I’d suggest that there is a shit tonne of research over the past century showing how fraught that endeavor is as well. Vanguard exists for a reason.
Remember that for every purchase you’re making because you think it’s undervalued, there’s someone on the other side happy to get rid of it at that price.
If you enjoy the gambling aspect of it, and you have the funds to play with, then sure pick some sticks if that’s your thing. But I wouldn’t recommend doing it money you’re relying on for retirement if for an emergency fund.
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11-25-2022, 11:38 AM #430
And yet.
For fiscal conservatives
Bonds aint so hot this year
It’s a valid question. Where to invest in an inflationary rising interest rate market.
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11-25-2022, 11:50 AM #431
Just for clarity, I’m not suggesting investing ‘conservatively’. If you’re a long way from retirement you should have most of your money invested in stocks. You can whether the volatility and stocks would be expected perform better over the long term.
I’m just saying most people shouldn’t be picking and choosing which stocks to buy, and when to buy them.
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11-25-2022, 12:04 PM #432
Jesus. Apologies for typos and quoting myself. Apparently I’ve got a turkey hangover.
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11-25-2022, 04:47 PM #433Rod9301
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My hangover is pumpkin pie and wine.
The turkey, as always, was too dry.
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11-25-2022, 06:54 PM #434
I started investing in stocks in April of 2020. Putting every penny I come across into my account, I currently have $90,846 of my own money into my account. My account sits at $107,715, I took out 15k in August 2021 to buy fishing/camping property. That pencils out to a 35.08% increase, in roughly 2 1/2 years. I put in money as I get it so gains are not linear.
I’m pretty confident I can beat the market picking individual stocks and trying to time it, while also using those individual stocks to juice returns with options. I currently have 10.8k cash in my account, nothing I’m watching looks particularly cheap right now.
I have a few dogs I’ve picked but I still have the faith long term in most of them and am still buying as they go down. I’m not any kind of financial savant and think anyone that pays attention could beat the market.
I still maintain putting money in midstreams at 6-9% yields, you probably won’t achieve much share growth but that DRIP will start to accumulate. It isn’t an exciting short possibility, nor growth phenomenon, but that shit will keep growing.
Or, if you want set and forget it, put it in funds.
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11-25-2022, 07:08 PM #435Registered User
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11-25-2022, 07:37 PM #436
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12-10-2022, 07:24 AM #437
Barron's on how to Put Your Cash to Work: 3 Strategies For Making the Most of High Yields.
https://archive.ph/Zk2Uf“The best argument in favour of a 90% tax rate on the rich is a five-minute chat with the average rich person.”
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12-10-2022, 09:02 AM #438
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12-11-2022, 05:38 AM #439
Three Bs
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12-11-2022, 07:43 AM #440
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12-18-2022, 05:48 PM #441
Not sure where to put this but if anybody knows the answer they're probably lurking in this thread.
Self-employed sole proprietor looking to open a solo-401k that supports mega backdoor Roth. I don't have time to DIY this year, so looking for a TPA. Any self-proclaimed experts doing this that can recommend a TPA?Last edited by North; 12-18-2022 at 09:42 PM.
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12-23-2022, 09:10 AM #442
A write up from the WSJ similar to the Barron's article, paywell free:
Six Ways to Protect Your Money in 2023: https://archive.vn/KPrbg“The best argument in favour of a 90% tax rate on the rich is a five-minute chat with the average rich person.”
- Winston Churchill, paraphrased.
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01-12-2023, 03:45 PM #443
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01-13-2023, 07:22 AM #444
$2 to the MegaJilluons thread, best return on investment around.
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01-13-2023, 08:19 AM #445Registered User
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I have a condo i bought a few years back at 4.25%. Have since married, made a kid, and bought a house on the other side of town. I now rent the condo for a $200 profit each month (enough to keep up with assessments and maintenance). As a family we are in a good place with finances (no debt other than mortgages, large emergency fund, live well below our means etc).
I have a chunk of cash just hanging out right now. Too afraid to put it into the market currently (i have a maxed 401k and a YOLO etrade account), so im thinking of just paying down the principal on the condo mortgage. I wouldnt totally pay it off, but it would halve the principal at this point. Think that is a good idea, or should i just keep the powder dry for now? I would like to have cash-on-hand in the next 5-10 years to buy and develop property on my own (something closely related to my day job) so that is a consideration too.
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01-13-2023, 09:14 AM #446Registered User
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It would depend on how risk averse you and your wife are. Similar situation financially, though I don't have the condo. Wife does not want any mortgage even though we refinanced in 2020 to a 15yr at 1.875%. She keeps putting extra money to principle every month.
If I were you, I'd keep it dry for a while. I think we're going to see some bargains on assets coming this year and those in position to move quickly will benefit greatly. The return on the condo principal is OK, but the prices here in Seattle area (you're North Bend, right) are declining. I'd hold on to potentially get some distressed assets.
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01-13-2023, 09:17 AM #447
If the condo is already cash flow positive and the principal owed is already less than it’s worth then let the renter pay it down. Put the money elsewhere. Me, I’ve been buying stocks for the last two months. Or pay the condo off, get a home equity line against it at half the interest rate and move on to the next thing. All depends on what you want to accomplish.
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01-13-2023, 09:22 AM #448
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01-13-2023, 09:44 AM #449In order to properly convert this thread to a polyasshat thread to more fully enrage the liberal left frequenting here...... (insert latest democratic blunder of your choice).
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01-13-2023, 09:47 AM #450
Chickens. Invest in chickens.
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