22/23 gear rumors

[gaijin]

If an alpine boot releases a BOA solution, then you can expect a drunk gaijin rant.

Doubt that’s happening though. So you can read my previous post with a spoonful of salt.


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[Norseman]

This new BOA system isn't about being lighter at all- it's actually heavier than the buckles it replaces. It really is all about creating a better wrap and a better fit. And I say that as someone who historically runs his shell buckles loose. I honestly never wanted a tighter fit in the forefoot, I never wanted/needed that. This just wraps better and it is something you need to have on your foot to feel the difference. To be able to better wrap the foot without crushing it is a feeling I have not had in any ski boot prior to this.

Yes, this is what interests me... the firm but gentle wrap, with wider pressure distribution.

[bluesbrother49]

Hmmm… gonna need BOA on a Lange RS130 to see if it holds water.

My micro adjustments of both front buckles on a stiff shell makes me weary of a one-pressure-to-solve-it-all solution.

Makes more sense on a 3-piece shell or a softer last on a touring rig.


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^^^This

As someone who likes to have a tight toe buckle, and a looser instep buckle I can't see how this works for me. It's a one size fits all pressure distribution. I know it's a different redesigned system, but I absolutely hated the boa on my Scarpa F1's with the hard plastic overlap. Did nothing and I could never get it tight enough.

[TexasGortex]

I rarely buckle my toes, not sure I could handle all that support

[NorCalNomad]

Hmmm… gonna need BOA on a Lange RS130 to see if it holds water.

My micro adjustments of both front buckles on a stiff shell makes me weary of a one-pressure-to-solve-it-all solution.

Makes more sense on a 3-piece shell or a softer last on a touring rig.

Having worked with BOA professionally, I can tell you that just slapping BOA on a piece of footwear where it wasn't designed for doesn't lead to the same enhancement than if you design the piece of footwear to maximize the BOA system. Been there, seen those projects fail. Also just because it is a single cable doesn't mean you can't have different levels of tension in the different zones. Part of developing a BOA project is tuning how much friction each BOA "eyelet" puts on the cable which helps to isolate tension in different zones.

I am far from a shill for BOA. Had projects be sunk by "failed" integration or the cost of BOA. Was pretty bummed when I literally tore the entire side of my Specialized shoes open when the turret failed to pop off in a crash. Sometimes laces and velcro is the best solution, sometimes BOA can do a better job.

I'm just saying hold your tongue before you actually try it.

[2FUNKY]

Having worked with BOA professionally, I can tell you that just slapping BOA on a piece of footwear where it wasn't designed for doesn't lead to the same enhancement than if you design the piece of footwear to maximize the BOA system. Been there, seen those projects fail. Also just because it is a single cable doesn't mean you can't have different levels of tension in the different zones. Part of developing a BOA project is tuning how much friction each BOA "eyelet" puts on the cable which helps to isolate tension in different zones.

I am far from a shill for BOA. Had projects be sunk by "failed" integration or the cost of BOA. Was pretty bummed when I literally tore the entire side of my Specialized shoes open when the turret failed to pop off in a crash. Sometimes laces and velcro is the best solution, sometimes BOA can do a better job.

I'm just saying hold your tongue before you actually try it.

Guessing that blow out was caused by the lack of stretch in the boa system vs laces?
This BOA idea sounds great as I’m also a loose forefoot buckle guy. Would like a nice even snug fit vs the pressure at toes then pressure at instep, which gets skied 95% of the time undone.


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[NorCalNomad]

Guessing that blow out was caused by the lack of stretch in the boa system vs laces?

Nope, didn't have anything to do with the cable, turret didn't pop off. Can't quite tell in the photo but it popped out about 2/3's of the stitches on the upper BOA as well and the material between the upper and lower dial. But I went back and bought the exact same shoe cause I'll take BOA on cycling shoes ANY day over laces or velcro. Running and hiking shoes less so.

[2FUNKY]

Ahh, impact! I’ve noticed that some of my BOA lace wading boots had more stress applied to the fabric from what seemed like less give than from a normal laces system.


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[abcdethan]

a few new gear releases are out

QST Echo looks like the ski that Cody Townsend has been prototyping last season for the Fifty? I wonder what the weight is.

[altacoup]

Sender squad for the mortals maybe?

Exciting!

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I just wish they’d make the sender squad in a 187. It’s the only good ski they’ve made in forever and they only offer it in one size. The 194 is ok at the bird but too much ski for Alta.


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[skisurfmirth]

I just wish they’d make the sender squad in a 187. It’s the only good ski they’ve made in forever and they only offer it in one size. The 194 is ok at the bird but too much ski for Alta.


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Whoa… the BO118 is pretty good. They should make it in a 196 for da big guys though. And for gods sake a replacement for the sickle already!

[mr_pretzel]

I just wish they’d make the sender squad in a 187. It’s the only good ski they’ve made in forever and they only offer it in one size. The 194 is ok at the bird but too much ski for Alta.


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Seriously, the layup on that ski is so fucking good.
The BO118 is great aswell, but we need a 190+ there.

Rossi needs:

187 Sender Squad
192 BO118
186 & 192 Black ops 108-110 which they dont fuck up so it can be a sickle replacement.

[mr_pretzel]

Seriously, the layup on that ski is so fucking good.
The BO118 is great aswell, but we need a 190+ there.

Rossi needs:

187 Sender Squad
192 BO118
186 & 192 Black ops 108-110 which they dont fuck up so it can be a sickle replacement.

Quote from Luke on NS:
Correct; naming products for multiple languages is tricky. Them opting to put the 110 in the 'Sender' series seems odd to me, since I am almost 100% certain that's the 'Blackops 108' everyone's been waiting for (skinnier 118), which makes more sense as a Blackops ski than a Sender ski since it's twinned and pretty center mounted, but I imagine it has something to do with the fact that it'll be marketed more as a 'freeride' ski than a 'freestyle' ski. The protos were very forward mounted and reminiscent of the 118; way more tail rockered and symmetrical than the Sender Ti or Sender Squad. Only bummer (selfishly) is the lengths — I believe they're similar to the big-gap options of the Blackops 98. Though the 190+ model should be on your radar for sure. I think the announcement will come in late January or February.

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[Jtlange]

Interesting they eliminated the Enforcer 115 Free and brought in an Unleashed 114. Probably makes more sense as a comp ski. Cool they added lengths instead of the 191 only size in the Free 115.

[teosickrider]

I skied with someone from the ski industry yesterday. Word is that they're gonna discontinue the Krypton. I hope that's just rumors.

[Eluder]

I skied with a Dalbello/Volkl pro yesterday. Word is that they're gonna discontinue the Krypton. I hope that's just rumors.

Pics from newschoolers. Its got a new design and name but still a 98mm last Cabrio boot.

[teosickrider]

Pics from newschoolers. Its got a new design and name but still a 98mm last Cabrio boot.

Yep, but the pin inserts are gone.

[Eluder]

Yep, but the pin inserts are gone.

I'm pretty sure the pins were only there so the Krypton could have Gripwalk soles without making a new clog. Just a bandaid for them that happened to benefit a small amount of end users that would be better served with a lupo that skied as well the Krypton.

[robnow]

Interesting they eliminated the Enforcer 115 Free and brought in an Unleashed 114. Probably makes more sense as a comp ski. Cool they added lengths instead of the 191 only size in the Free 115.

Potentially also too much overlap with Rustler 11s to keep the Enforcer 115?

Supposedly new Rustlers out very soon, couple weeks. 10 coming in 192.

[sk8rat6587]

Pics from newschoolers. Its got a new design and name but still a 98mm last Cabrio boot.

I've been Cabrio curious, how do the krypton's fit compared to Lange rx? Are these a redesign or a rebrand?

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[teosickrider]

I've been Cabrio curious, how do the krypton's fit compared to Lange rx? Are these a redesign or a rebrand?

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They should be a redesign...new mold.

[skibrd]

Supposedly new Rustlers out very soon, couple weeks. 10 coming in 192.

This peaks my interest IF they aren’t noodles like the current R10s…


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[gaijin]

As someone who has also been Krypton/Cabrio curious for a few years, my interest is not fit. It’s performance.

What am I missing out on, being a Lange boy? What does your side of the fence look like? What’s your cult compared to mine?


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[teosickrider]

As someone who has also been Krypton/Cabrio curious for a few years, my interest is not fit. It’s performance.

What am I missing out on, being a Lange boy? What does your side of the fence look like? What’s your cult compared to mine?


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The shoe feedback is different. You should try them side by side: Classic design boots kick you back after they've been bent, with Cabrio Boots you, or I, don't have that feeling.