22/23 gear rumors

[NorCalNomad]

Ah the Salomon inbounds BOA is finally coming out.

[mntlion]

also Boa on new K2 alpine boots....

[riff]

Why would anyone put those on a heavy use product? I have little faith after a season of using them on light touring boots.


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[GoldenBC]

Hawx XTD with boa too. Apparently BOA developed a new ski boot system, thicker beefier, removable for punches. Seems like problems will arise.

[waxoff]

Who knows what about these?

Ross Sender Free 110 Ti

23/24 thread maybe...

[mr_pretzel]

Sender squad for the mortals maybe?

Exciting!

[gaijin]

As much as I love the big brand ski producers, I really wish they’d speak to me like I was a human being.

Diagofiber.
2ble Damp Tech.

WTF are you talking about? = I’m now being lied to and no longer trust you.

Rossi needs to learn how to suck a dick.

Salomon learned. K2 learned. Both of them have had major comebacks in gaining skier trust.

Rossi is still this stupid 25yo marketing guy who is trying to fool the industry in some mad scientist new build.

Rossi needs to man-up and have the balls to say what they are building. They keep everything a secret.

(Black Ops— it’s a secret)

We’re all trying to peddle your gear here. If you stop belittling us, maybe we’ll connect on a communicative scale and make your shit famous.

Until then—

Diagofiber.

PS— your marketing team should be fired.

[Lord Thomas]

As much as I love the big brand ski producers, I really wish they’d speak to me like I was a human being.

Diagofiber.
2ble Damp Tech.

WTF are you talking about? = I’m now being lied to and no longer trust you.

Rossi needs to learn how to suck a dick.

Salomon learned. K2 learned. Both of them have had major comebacks in gaining skier trust.

Rossi is still this stupid 25yo marketing guy who is trying to fool the industry in some mad scientist new build.

Rossi needs to man-up and have the balls to say what they are building. They keep everything a secret.

(Black Ops— it’s a secret)

We’re all trying to peddle your gear here. If you stop belittling us, maybe we’ll connect on a communicative scale and make your shit famous.

Until then—

Diagofiber.

PS— your marketing team should be fired.

+489

Give me real and useful information or shut the fuck up. I think Rossignol (and a few others) needs to contract Marshal Olson to help on the marketing end of things.

[kootenayskier]

As much as I love the big brand ski producers, I really wish they’d speak to me like I was a human being.

Diagofiber.
2ble Damp Tech.

WTF are you talking about? = I’m now being lied to and no longer trust you.

Rossi needs to learn how to suck a dick.

Salomon learned. K2 learned. Both of them have had major comebacks in gaining skier trust.

Rossi is still this stupid 25yo marketing guy who is trying to fool the industry in some mad scientist new build.

Rossi needs to man-up and have the balls to say what they are building. They keep everything a secret.

(Black Ops— it’s a secret)

We’re all trying to peddle your gear here. If you stop belittling us, maybe we’ll connect on a communicative scale and make your shit famous.

Until then—

Diagofiber.

PS— your marketing team should be fired.

I’m with you. The continually revising and hyping the terminology for standard components seems pathetically inauthentic to me. It’s such bullshit, but we obviously aren’t the target market. There must be a perverse strategy of some type at play - these people aren’t skiers, they lie to sell widgets (Rossi’s CEO came up through Amazon and Rubbermaid).
(Thread drift) My remote BC ski resort is controlled by an American cosmetics/real estate shyster, and the creative lipstick on a pig nonsense he comes up with every year trying to con wealthy tourists just boggles the mind.

[gregL]

Hawx XTD with boa too. Apparently BOA developed a new ski boot system, thicker beefier, removable for punches. Seems like problems will arise.

It is a brand-new Boa, co-developed with several brands, much beefier and with a real steel cable instead of "thread" - tension over the top of the foot is remarkably even when cranked down. If they don't break and don't get knocked off, it could be great.

[Bandit Man]

As much as I love the big brand ski producers, I really wish they’d speak to me like I was a human being.

Diagofiber.
2ble Damp Tech.

WTF are you talking about? = I’m now being lied to and no longer trust you.

Rossi needs to learn how to suck a dick.

Salomon learned. K2 learned. Both of them have had major comebacks in gaining skier trust.

Rossi is still this stupid 25yo marketing guy who is trying to fool the industry in some mad scientist new build.

Rossi needs to man-up and have the balls to say what they are building. They keep everything a secret.

(Black Ops— it’s a secret)

We’re all trying to peddle your gear here. If you stop belittling us, maybe we’ll connect on a communicative scale and make your shit famous.

Until then—

Diagofiber.

PS— your marketing team should be fired.

Somehow saying…

- metal binding retention plate
- recycled plastic
- carbon fiber/weave
- wood core
- rubber layer

…doesn’t seem quite as cool.

As long as they don’t have carbon tips that are “pingy” when skied, right? [emoji6]


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[MD12]

It is a brand-new Boa, co-developed with several brands, much beefier and with a real steel cable instead of "thread" - tension over the top of the foot is remarkably even when cranked down. If they don't break and don't get knocked off, it could be great.

I saw the Salomon. Cable looks great and people who tried it on say the fit over the forefront is uniquely good. The knob to tighten seems like a joke - designed to fall off in a crash and you’d have to carry a replacement with you. Guess we’ll see if it takes or not.

[old mexico]

I saw the Salomon. Cable looks great and people who tried it on say the fit over the forefront is uniquely good. The knob to tighten seems like a joke - designed to fall off in a crash and you’d have to carry a replacement with you. Guess we’ll see if it takes or not.

Well think of it as just grabbing one off the ground when it gets fully implemented across all boots. No need for spares when the resort will be littered with them eventually.

[rod9301]

It is a brand-new Boa, co-developed with several brands, much beefier and with a real steel cable instead of "thread" - tension over the top of the foot is remarkably even when cranked down. If they don't break and don't get knocked off, it could be great.

Still, boa doesn't make sense to me. I need loose boots over the two lower buckles and tight around the cuff. Instead of evenly tight

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[onenerdykid]

I saw the Salomon. Cable looks great and people who tried it on say the fit over the forefront is uniquely good. The knob to tighten seems like a joke - designed to fall off in a crash and you’d have to carry a replacement with you. Guess we’ll see if it takes or not.

If the BOA dial gets hit hard enough, it will release from its base plate. When that happens, it is still attached to the cable and therefore the boot. You just pop it back on, no tools needed.

I won't be showing anything yet, but this BOA system is unlike anything else from BOA that you have experience with. The new BOA system is similar to other BOAs in name & basic concept only. It is purposefully built for alpine boots with a stronger gear ratio & thicker cable to properly wrap thick, hard plastic- and wrap more efficiently & effectively than buckles. It’s also the only BOA system in hardgoods that allows for micro adjust tightening AND loosening. Go one click to far? Now you can back it off as opposed to needing to fully pop it open (which is still an option). It really is an interesting step in the right direction.

Atomic has been involved since its inception and we have had it on snow since 2018 - 4 full years of real world testing. As someone who also normally runs his shell buckles pretty loose, this is something that you will need to put on and feel the difference for yourself.

[NorCalNomad]

Hawx XTD with boa too. Apparently BOA developed a new ski boot system, thicker beefier, removable for punches. Seems like problems will arise.

BOA has been developing it for 5+ years. It definitely is not just a scaling up your normal dial. As someone with a stupid high instep vs the rest of my foot volume I'm interested to try it.

*edit* didn't see Matt's post but everything he said I second. Also look at your inbounds boots and see how much scuffing/ scrapes you have on the lateral side vs the medial side.

[ejj]

[Norseman]

If the BOA dial gets hit hard enough, it will release from its base plate. When that happens, it is still attached to the cable and therefore the boot. You just pop it back on, no tools needed.

I won't be showing anything yet, but this BOA system is unlike anything else from BOA that you have experience with. The new BOA system is similar to other BOAs in name & basic concept only. It is purposefully built for alpine boots with a stronger gear ratio & thicker cable to properly wrap thick, hard plastic- and wrap more efficiently & effectively than buckles. It’s also the only BOA system in hardgoods that allows for micro adjust tightening AND loosening. Go one click to far? Now you can back it off as opposed to needing to fully pop it open (which is still an option). It really is an interesting step in the right direction.

Atomic has been involved since its inception and we have had it on snow since 2018 - 4 full years of real world testing. As someone who also normally runs his shell buckles pretty loose, this is something that you will need to put on and feel the difference for yourself.

I like the look and sound of this. Robust mechanism protected by a raised boss, on a part of the boot that is less exposed than traditional lower buckles. Looking forward to seeing it in person.

[alfajores]

It’s such bullshit, but we obviously aren’t the target market.

Fact. And I know the people that like and buy into this marketing vomit.

[Bobcat Sig]

Still, boa doesn't make sense to me. I need loose boots over the two lower buckles and tight around the cuff. Instead of evenly tight

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This is where I am. Forefoot tightness or snugness isn't an issue and usually shouldn't be for most people. It's locked down one's ankle and heel. So by that, I wonder what BOA is solving, other that looking cool and saving some buckles?

[wantriot]

This is where I am. Forefoot tightness or snugness isn't an issue and usually shouldn't be for most people. It's locked down one's ankle and heel. So by that, I wonder what BOA is solving, other that looking cool and saving some buckles?

Could not agree more. Every one of the Touring boots I have used with a z-cable or a boa system have been an exercise in disapointment reduction as I don't want my forefoot tightened, I want my heel locked. With equal pressure through out a continous wire/cable, you can't relax where needed or tighten where needed.

[NorCalNomad]

Could not agree more. Every one of the Touring boots I have used with a z-cable or a boa system have been an exercise in disapointment reduction as I don't want my forefoot tightened, I want my heel locked. With equal pressure through out a continous wire/cable, you can't relax where needed or tighten where needed.

I've found quite the opposite with BOA equipped touring boots. It works much better at getting my foot locked down without smashing the crap out of my tall instep. Which is a tricky thing to do since the easiest way to contain a foot and keep your heel locked in is stabilizing and holding down the navicular bone. So with most ski boots that normally means excessive pressure and/or using laces on my liners when touring to avoid heel blisters.

Ski boots and mid cut shoes work also by capturing your ankle/lower tibia and reducing mobilization to hold/ stabilize your heel. IE tight cuff loose clog. But by itself isn't as effective as locking that navicular + ankle/ tibia stabilization.

[fleaches]

So by that, I wonder what BOA is solving, other that looking cool and saving some buckles?

I've been in some shops where the employees are always talking about how light certain boots are. I can't understand why you would want light boots in bounds but I guess this appeals to some people. Wonder if that's the direction they were going with boa?


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[onenerdykid]

I've been in some shops where the employees are always talking about how light certain boots are. I can't understand why you would want light boots in bounds but I guess this appeals to some people. Wonder if that's the direction they were going with boa?


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This new BOA system isn't about being lighter at all- it's actually heavier than the buckles it replaces. It really is all about creating a better wrap and a better fit. And I say that as someone who historically runs his shell buckles loose. I honestly never wanted a tighter fit in the forefoot, I never wanted/needed that. This just wraps better and it is something you need to have on your foot to feel the difference. To be able to better wrap the foot without crushing it is a feeling I have not had in any ski boot prior to this.

[gaijin]

Hmmm… gonna need BOA on a Lange RS130 to see if it holds water.

My micro adjustments of both front buckles on a stiff shell makes me weary of a one-pressure-to-solve-it-all solution.

Makes more sense on a 3-piece shell or a softer last on a touring rig.


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