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    Quote Originally Posted by Danno View Post
    I haven't been to Europe in 30+ years, but your itinerary looks like mine when I was a college student. Looks like a fuckton of travel and very little in the way of settling in anywhere. It was fun but exhausting when I was 20, I can't imagine doing it now. If that's your intent and you know you can handle it, great. But if I were in your shoes I would pare the itinerary down a bit.
    What this guy said.

    Also - I'd recommend *not* staying in Bordeaux proper. When we traveled there, we realized in about 10 minutes Bordeaux was NOT what we were looking for, so we headed to St Emilion - that little town is incredible.

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    Please post a TR in this thread when you get back - even a short one - will help mags with future travel planning like this

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    LOL Danno, I guess I suffer from Short Attention Span Disorder, so 2-3 nights is usually it for me (unless I am on a ski or surf holiday). Bouncing around works for us, but at some point I guess that will change.

    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac View Post
    Please post a TR in this thread when you get back - even a short one - will help mags with future travel planning like this
    Will do
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    Quote Originally Posted by liv2ski View Post
    LOL Danno, I guess I suffer from Short Attention Span Disorder, so 2-3 nights is usually it for me (unless I am on a ski or surf holiday). Bouncing around works for us, but at some point I guess that will change.
    2 nights is probably sufficient for Venice - I would definitely spend more time in the Tuscan "countryside" instead of Florence, unless you guys are big into Renaissance art or something. Siena is a super-easy train ride from Florence and, IMO, a much better destination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    I'd recommend *not* staying in Bordeaux proper. When we traveled there, we realized in about 10 minutes Bordeaux was NOT what we were looking for, so we headed to St Emilion - that little town is incredible.
    Thanks, that looks like a great suggestion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    2 nights is probably sufficient for Venice - I would definitely spend more time in the Tuscan "countryside" instead of Florence, unless you guys are big into Renaissance art or something. Siena is a super-easy train ride from Florence and, IMO, a much better destination.
    Rick Steves gold tip: Take the bus from Florence to Siena. It drops you off on top of the hill. The train station is a long escalator ride and walk away.

    Venice needs more than a few days, but, if bored, jump on a train for two stops to Padua. Reserve ahead of time for your visit to the Scrovegni chapel http://www.cappelladegliscrovegni.it/index.php/en/

    The Uffizzi in Florence is much more than "renaissance art or something". C'mon, man. Head for the Botticelli rooms, recently expanded. Stunning. Reserve tickets and time ahead.

    Vivoli in Florence for gelato.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Bring your own edibles, they suck in AMS.
    You and I have apparently had very different experiences in AMS. I know a place that sells 300mg slices of banana bread for 8 Euro.

    @Liv2Ski- this is a really good restaurant for Dutch meat- https://goo.gl/maps/F8z4XKN5Ayjzt73i6. Not sure I'd call it BBQ, but just really good slow cooked ribs.

    And this restaurant is really good as well- https://goo.gl/maps/oJ6VsS1Lim6QLZWE7 I think I remember a really good Elk course here.

    This one is also worth a visit- https://goo.gl/maps/ftX2mP6qozs5uDoN7

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    Guys, great suggestions. Thanks a bunch. Kevo, we do not eat Mammals. Any good seafood or poultry suggestions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevo View Post
    You and I have apparently had very different experiences in AMS. I know a place that sells 300mg slices of banana bread for 8 Euro.
    Yeah, but, it's, ... Banana bread. Or pound cake. Hard to hide and keep fresh while traveling.

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    Piet de Leeuw steakhouse in AMS serves horse meat

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    Speaking of edibles, I use a tincture to sleep. It comes in a small glass bottle with dropper. Is HLS going to take it from me when I go through the airports. I need that stuff to sleep with the bear next to me
    Quote Originally Posted by leroy jenkins View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac View Post
    Piet de Leeuw steakhouse in AMS serves horse meat
    Before giving up meat we had horse in Hungary. Was fuckin good, but made me really sad to eat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Rick Steves gold tip: Take the bus from Florence to Siena. It drops you off on top of the hill. The train station is a long escalator ride and walk away.
    "Long" being relative... it's quite literally a 30m walk from the station to the Campo.

    The bus *might* be faster, though, from Florence to Siena - the trian is not particularly quick.

    The Uffizzi in Florence is much more than "renaissance art or something". C'mon, man. Head for the Botticelli rooms, recently expanded. Stunning. Reserve tickets and time ahead.
    We've been to Florence 3 times now and never been to the Uffizi. But... we haven't stayed in Florence more than a couple days on any of our trips.

    Vivoli in Florence for gelato.
    And don't forget grabbing a sammi at I Fratellini: https://goo.gl/maps/1BoVtPFRhPH1JNw3A

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    Quote Originally Posted by liv2ski View Post
    Before giving up meat we had horse in Hungary. Was fuckin good, but made me really sad to eat.
    Sorry! I missed the part where you gave up meat (mammals)

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    Quote Originally Posted by liv2ski View Post
    Guys, great suggestions. Thanks a bunch. Kevo, we do not eat Mammals. Any good seafood or poultry suggestions?
    Suggestion 2 and 3 would have what you're looking for.

    I do remember seafood and poultry and either of those places would accommodate your wishes for no mammals I would think.

    Do you guys eat dairy? Dutch cheese is...an experience. It's worth exploring IMO.

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    Schiermonnikoog is a beautiful island and national park close to Amsterdam. For nature, wandering, kitesurfing in spring and great seafood (like Amsterdam) it can't be beat. Buy some weed and hang on the island. It's magical

    BTW, my favorite seafood place in Amsterdam is called "Red". It's on one of the rings east side. I think that it is on Prinzengracht, but it may be Kaisergracht
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    Quote Originally Posted by liv2ski View Post
    Speaking of edibles, I use a tincture to sleep. It comes in a small glass bottle with dropper. Is HLS going to take it from me when I go through the airports.
    No - but you might end up in a Turkish prison.

    Have you ever been in a Turkish prison?

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    Quote Originally Posted by liv2ski View Post
    <snip> Any good seafood or poultry suggestions?
    Oh, man... you're going to *love* Venice.
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    Thanks for all the input today ^^^^ Great suggestions and bringing the laughs too.
    Quote Originally Posted by leroy jenkins View Post
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    - Agree re: St. Emilion (or one of many other small towns around there) over Bordeaux itself. Rent a car and get to some lesser populated wineries. I'm sure some mags can assist on that front.
    - Lived for a year in AMS. Would personally recommend staying outside of the center. Closest in I think gives you a feel of folks who live in the town is Jordaan/De Pijp/Oud-West/Oud-Zuid. If you're into history, the City of Amsterdam history museum is incredibly done. Hope you eat cheese, cause fuck yes. If you have nice weather, renting bikes for the day and wondering Noord is pretty cool. I'm a huge fan of the parks in general and spent a lot of time enjoying a j in vondel/wester/rembrant parks.

    Other unsolicited advice:
    - carry decent travel backpacks instead of roller bags. Saves so much hassle on stairs, old sidewalks, brick roads etc you will encounter all over Europe.
    - figure out having data access on your phone while traveling. It's worth it.
    - get yourselves a couple of credit cards with no foreign transaction fees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Yeah, but, it's, ... Banana bread. Or pound cake. Hard to hide and keep fresh while traveling.
    That's a good point. Touché

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    Quote Originally Posted by doebedoe View Post
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    - carry decent travel backpacks instead of roller bags. Saves so much hassle on stairs, old sidewalks, brick roads etc you will encounter all over Europe.
    I am so happy I bought one of these: https://www.rei.com/product/884915/p...ole-duffel-60l It has backpack straps, fits in the overhead, and a pair of ski boots fits in there easily with stuff. Frees hands for rollers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doebedoe View Post
    - Agree re: St. Emilion (or one of many other small towns around there) over Bordeaux itself. Rent a car and get to some lesser populated wineries. I'm sure some mags can assist on that front.
    - Lived for a year in AMS. Would personally recommend staying outside of the center. Closest in I think gives you a feel of folks who live in the town is Jordaan/De Pijp/Oud-West/Oud-Zuid. If you're into history, the City of Amsterdam history museum is incredibly done. Hope you eat cheese, cause fuck yes. If you have nice weather, renting bikes for the day and wondering Noord is pretty cool. I'm a huge fan of the parks in general and spent a lot of time enjoying a j in vondel/wester/rembrant parks.

    Other unsolicited advice:
    - carry decent travel backpacks instead of roller bags. Saves so much hassle on stairs, old sidewalks, brick roads etc you will encounter all over Europe.
    - figure out having data access on your phone while traveling. It's worth it.
    - get yourselves a couple of credit cards with no foreign transaction fees.
    All good suggestions re: AMS. If you're in Vondelpark on a nice day it's worth having a beer at the Blauwe Theehuis, or alternatively having a beer at the same brewery's other location under a big windmill on the East side of town https://www.brouwerijhetij.nl/windmi...-room/?lang=en . If you're into the whole windmill/wooden shoe vibe you can take the train out to Zaanse Schans. It's a bit of a tourist trap but makes for an easy day trip. All of this requires a decent weather window. Otherwise, hang out in a "coffee shop" and then enjoy the Museums (I'd avoid the street art museum in Noord). I live just within the outermost ring in De Weteringschans, so feel free to shoot me a PM if you have other Amsterdam questions or want to grab a beer while you're here.
    Everybody's gotta have parkas. I'm talking custom parkas. Two words: "client development." They see all of you out there cutting the powder in your matching Schweikart & Cokely parkas, you'll make an impression. You will thank me later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    I am so happy I bought one of these: https://www.rei.com/product/884915/p...ole-duffel-60l It has backpack straps, fits in the overhead, and a pair of ski boots fits in there easily with stuff. Frees hands for rollers.
    Great bag - but a full 60L is not gonna fit into the carryon bag size checker (unless you are flying biz class/first class)

    Yes you can get it to fit into the overhead in economy class - but you sometimes have to get past the airline staff and their rules

    carry on rules on some international airlines are even smaller than those in North America

    most carry on bag checkers fit a full 40L in my experience

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    Plus that duffle sucks compared to a real backpack as far as carrying. I can do a couple weeks (not skiing) in Europe with my 40L backcountry back and have on a couple of occasions.

    My friends who are constantly traveling (e.g. 10-12 2-week plane-based trips a year) swear by these. Get a pair for the wife as a pre-trip excitment gift: https://www.osprey.com/us/en/product...PNT40_326.html

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