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11-22-2021, 11:56 AM #1
The part about Sublette and Thunder going detachable is at 33:10
https://www.stormskiing.com/p/podcas...-hole-mountain
Oof:
- 33:10 "Within our five year horizon we will be replacing both the thunder and sublette chairs with detachables"
- 33:40 "I would like to see...and we are starting to talk about maybe something on a lower face...looked at lower Sublette...want to access from top of Moose Creek Trail...probably will keep Hobacks sacred"
- 35:00 Thunder to take same line. Sublette possibly off the cliff with terminal point lower on the hill. Looking at 6 pack for Sublette as heavier weight will perform better in wind but maybe too many skiers to maintain snow conditions.
- No current plans in the next three years to expand to the south (though clearly it has been discussed).
- Blasted Ships Prow to increase safety, last year did lower tramline to spread people out
- resort closes in early April, why?: we are a destination resort, dependent on partnership with airline flight schedules; employees are seasonal
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11-22-2021, 12:29 PM #2
Sublette terminal point lower?
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11-22-2021, 12:46 PM #3Registered User
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11-22-2021, 01:13 PM #4
I've been saying for years now that the next move would be a lift up Sublette Ridge that gets people to both the Sublette chair and Thunder. I think it needs to be out of the base area but that's probably screwed up because of the real estate down there. If it's not accessible someway from the base area I'm not sure I see a whole lot of value in it. The big problem has always been getting folks up and out of the base area, more so now when it's busy with all of the Ikon powder chasers.
Going south into RS is going to happen within the next 20 years imo. Another base area and parking would be the move if it's possible.dirtbag, not a dentist
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11-22-2021, 01:20 PM #5
Oh boy the fish creek homeowners would sue the living shit out of the vill if they tried to pull that off, that is is the county didn't tell them no for try to send that much traffic down a road nowhere close to being able to handle it. My understanding is those homeowners are not keen on people being around at all.
I bet Rock Springs is conquered within 10.
I don't see how they replace Sublette that low without making over half the terrain accessible by the current one tram only. Doubt that actually happens, or they keep the fixed grip as an operating lift.Live Free or Die
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11-22-2021, 02:23 PM #6
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11-22-2021, 02:37 PM #7Registered User
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I was curious about that after reading your post and found the Teton County parcel map.
https://maps.greenwoodmap.com/tetonw...ip,placelabels
It looks like it’d be tricky if not impossible to get a road into their (JHMR) parcel at the base of RS without acquiring some additional land as a bridge to the main resort and/or pissing off a lot of homeowners. Plenty of room for a lift and lodge similar to Casper, though.
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11-22-2021, 02:48 PM #8
The part about Sublette and Thunder going detachable is at 33:10
Oof is right. A fucking 6 pack? How does that help maintain the sacred Hobacks? You’ll have twice the amount of people heading back there at once, from the top of Sublette.
If they brought Rock Springs into the boundary, maybe have it be a hike-back access kind of thing, like A-Basin did with the Steep Gullies? That’s worked well IMO.
Pulling my popcorn out for this one.
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11-22-2021, 02:52 PM #9
I don't know Jackson well other than having skied there a handful of times over the years, so I was looking at the map to remind myself where all these lifts and runs were.
Jackson has a typo on their trail map - "sky area map cover 2,500 acres." Apparently Niehues retires and everything goes to shit.
Anyways, I have nothing useful to add. Carry on.
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11-22-2021, 03:20 PM #10
Like Vail, another marketing executive put in charge of a ski mountain.
Did you hang out until the end when she sorta blamed Patagonia for creating a controversy by pulling all of their stuff out of JH stores? How dare they? And then she said that the mountain has no political affiliation. The fucking OWNERS host a piece of pond scum like Majorie Taylor Greene, and she says that it isn't on them.
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11-22-2021, 03:39 PM #11
I didn't listen yet, but wtf. Classic.
Cool people should own JH, not douchebags goddammit!!
I always thought that could only operate X amount of days on the forest service leased land and that was why they opened and closed when they did. That was way before mtn biking and the tram running like it does now.
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11-22-2021, 03:42 PM #12
They open and close early because it's a nearly south facing mountain. I never got the hype. Worst freeze/thaw conditions I've ever encountered. But, hey, there's Corbet's .
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11-22-2021, 03:49 PM #13
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11-22-2021, 04:21 PM #14Registered User
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11-22-2021, 04:46 PM #15
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11-22-2021, 04:54 PM #16
Haha! Oh Benny.......I'm sorry for your incredibly bad timing with your Jackson visit.
It's predominantly east facing with every other aspect tucked into it's bowls and ridge lines. It can get cooked sometimes, especially the lower elevations but if you know how to work it you can generally go out and find soft snow, especially if you are skiing the side country. I skied there for four years and when it's getting cycled it's hard to beat the terrain and top to bottom tram laps in bottomless powder snow. Corbets is such an overhyped ski run it's kind of funny, there's so many lines on the hill that I personally think are much more interesting and fun to ski but whatever.
That being said, I do like to poke fun at the scene there and I'll jokingly call it "the ski center of the universe."dirtbag, not a dentist
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11-22-2021, 05:07 PM #17
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11-22-2021, 05:22 PM #18Registered User
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11-22-2021, 05:32 PM #19
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11-22-2021, 05:41 PM #20
Funny that this supremacy thinking is a thing.
Places are different, each have their own special flavor. And I always loved MSB, skied a ton of pow there as well as JH. But there's Snowbird, W/BC, La Grave, St. Anton, Verbier, Serre Chevalier, Puy St. Vincent, all making a worthy claim on being the best, possibly for very different reasons.
Hopefully we laugh at ourselves and try to remember how much is a matter of taste. Or tastelessness in some cases.
For my changed nickel, I always hated the sublette quad. That wrecked the place for us. Pepis, Alta Chutes, BITH, etc all tracked now, not to mention the Hobacks.
A big heart to those who hold their place dear.Merde De Glace On the Freak When Ski
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11-22-2021, 05:45 PM #21
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11-22-2021, 05:47 PM #22
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11-22-2021, 05:49 PM #23
No. I hate that thing. We use to skate out the traverse to Pepis from Thunder and have so much good snow to ourselves.
Then again, it just got so crowded, like the sweet girl who gets too popular and turns into a snotty bitch. Fun's gone for us.
We turned away from the destination places circa 1994 and spent a couple of years hitting a bunch of the little mom and pop places strewn over ID, MT. Had a way better time. Then we started doing Yurp....
But I get the love, I respect your love, I just look at it differently so I can have a better time for me.Merde De Glace On the Freak When Ski
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