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11-14-2021, 12:25 PM #51Registered User
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thanks a lot, I appreciate and that's the reason why now with my last question I mainly would like to hear about the three different technologies/membranes i posted (Infinium, Arc, Rab), if Gore is better/worse than Rab membrane in terms of breathability etc. I grew up thinking GoreTex was the holy grail only to realize that was not the case. I hear a lot of good things about Gore Infinium but I am concerned it might be just marketing, so i'd appreciate any direct comparison/experience with classic Gamma or other brands
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11-14-2021, 01:02 PM #52
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11-14-2021, 01:08 PM #53
If you search around a bit for MiCol's posts (and/or Freeride Systems) you'll notice that the same materials are generally available to different manufacturers (with notable exceptions). It might be more generally useful to look at specific fabric rather than brand/model of jacket (when possible).
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11-14-2021, 02:00 PM #54
I have this piece and I love it, it will replace my older Gore-Tex jacket as my hard shell for backcountry skiing, (and a lot of inbounds). I like to think of these newer designs as stretchy hard-shells. It’s definitely a hard shell, but it’s amazing how much stretch it has, so you can almost size down. Goretex futurelight seems similar, maybe not as much stretch.
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is there any Neo shell around nowdays ? I still have a marmot I bought in 2013, it breathes but not as well as other soft shells so its good for colder weather. IME Neoshell is more water resistant than most soft shells but not like a hardshell I dunno if its changed any but IME a piece is on a continuim of either it breathes more or its more water proof
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11-14-2021, 04:03 PM #58
has anyone fondled the new Procline stuff from Arcteryx? I've yet to see it show up in stores but I have a Arc giftcard burning a hole in my wallet
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11-14-2021, 04:05 PM #59
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11-14-2021, 05:07 PM #60
The real problem with Gore is that they're overcommitted by necessity to the idea that a jacket needs to be waterproof to an extreme. As a result, they won't ever breathe well. If they step away from the idea of a waterproof jacket, then I'd probably pay attention. Until then, it doesn't make much sense to me in a skiing jacket (maybe resorts, but even then I prefer Neoshell or similar).
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11-14-2021, 05:38 PM #61Registered User
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Haven't fondled it but not super impressed for touring from what I have seen. Pow skirt on a "softshell" (which it barely is imo) seems like unnecessary weight and hassle, would rather have $37 off the price. It is HEAVY, almost 150g heavier than my FRS hardshell. It's also heavier than every sleeping bag I own and my heavy weight belay jacket.
Gore-tex infinium is also not breathable IMO. It has a membrane as discussed above. It makes sense in hybrid layers (where is is only used on pieces of the jacket) only imo. However, I would consider the jacket for sunny but windy inbounds use (happens a lot in CA) and the pants would be nice for a lighter weight all weather touring option. For touring if you need the weather protection of infinium over other membrane-less softshells I think you would be better served with an "Electrospun membrane" hardshell - NF Futurelight, OR stuff, the rab kinetic, etc.
An Arc Softshell I would like touring is the Trino SL - which has a infinium front, shoulders, and arms but then a membrane-less back and sides for superior breathability or the Gamma LT/SL for completely membrane-less.
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11-14-2021, 06:40 PM #62
^ your knowledge and common sense is conflicting with my naive consumeristic tendency to accumulate more unnecessary ski clothing
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11-14-2021, 06:56 PM #63Registered User
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11-14-2021, 07:07 PM #65
Different strokes for different folks, that should be the tread title.
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11-14-2021, 09:24 PM #68
softshell jacket (yes, again)
I have that Rab jacket, it definitely has a membrane. I use it or an old Patagonia guide hoody (which is a light weight woven soft shell) depending on temps. Sweat wicking thin poly base layer and either jacket on top. Rab jacket is good from 10-20 degrees. Patagonia guide hoody for anything warmer, or just a thin base layer. Synthetic puffy goes on top of everything before descending. And I always carry a back up down puffy (MH ghost whisperer or more insulated depending on temps) in case of emergency. My only dislike of the RAB jacket is that it’s stinky, and I’m not a particularly smelly person.
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11-14-2021, 10:27 PM #70Registered User
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The guide at the local hut had one of the big name mfger's at his hut for a week skiing/ pictures/ gear testing/ team building,
They bring duffels full of the stuff so one of them asked what jacket to wear and he said " I don't know i only have 1 "Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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11-19-2021, 05:36 PM #71
So I just picked up the marmot ROM 2.0 on sale from the goat village store. Nice design, light and well laid out. Seems like a good snowshoe, tour and shoulder season piece. Hope to try this weekend
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01-25-2022, 03:23 AM #72Registered User
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Again on the topic: do you use softshell jacket also in deep/fresh snow, freeriding? i understand the improved breathability, especially needed on the way up. How do you manage it on the way down, especially when snow might get into or over the jacket, or you are knee-deep? i read there are people loving Softshell and never going back to hardshell.
Do you pack both soft and hardshell or just softshell? of hardshell only if you know it will snow?
i am asking because from time to time i fall down and snow gets into anywhere, so i would be concerned of using my new softshell on the way down.
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01-25-2022, 03:59 AM #73
Soft shell works for me except when it is snowing really hard and near freezing. Then I like the top half of the jacket to have a membrane. Since I like to have one go to jacket, this is the style I bought this Fall. A HH Odin hybrid. Been using this winter and like it..
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01-25-2022, 11:41 AM #75Registered User
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Soft shell stays on all day, start skinning with puffy over softshell , stow the puffy after 15min, puffy goes over softshell at the top & for the ride down, if you worry about putting holes in puffy put it inside the softshell for the down
i almost never take a hardshell
ime doing up all the zips & hood on the soft shell are snow resistant enough to deal with snow if you fall
i see alot of new skiers sweating a bunch IMO wearing too much clothing, I don't need to wear much on the up when I am making heat, then insulate at the topLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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