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02-14-2023, 06:10 PM #576Registered User
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02-14-2023, 08:06 PM #577Registered User
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The TGR Skinny Ski Ski Tourers' Refuge Thread
Anyone gotten out on the Faction LaMachine series? If I recall correctly, they were supposed to be reverse camber, and reasonably light, but I haven’t been able to see one in person yet. Interested in the (micro) 90, 99, and (mega)109 widths.
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02-14-2023, 10:48 PM #578
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02-15-2023, 03:56 AM #579
The TGR Skinny Ski Ski Tourers' Refuge Thread
Neoprene tongue shim? (Most bootfitters have them precut in 2 thicknesses) Will certainly take up volume but won’t do much to firm it up. Most race liners have a tongue that you can sew into another liner, provided your aren’t pulling on tongues to get boots on.
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02-15-2023, 08:04 AM #580Gel-powered Tech bindings
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Agreed.
Even if from an outing-long efficiency standpoint the more slimmed-down skins might make the tour overall go by more quickly and with less cumulative fatigue, that 5% of frustration could drag down the final score on the FunOMeter.
Come to think of it, that's also why I rarely use skimo race skis in the backcountry (even though I always use full-cf skimo race boots and skimo racing bindings). Sure I'd be less tired back at the car and/or back at the car earlier, but I wouldn't be having as much fun overall either.
(And remind me, having fun is the point, right? That and not having your or your partners die or suffer serious injury. Which also isn't fun.)Mo' skimo here: NE Rando Race Series
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02-15-2023, 10:23 AM #581Registered User
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02-15-2023, 10:32 AM #582
This is IMO a really interesting point, as I had been wrestling with this a bunch myself.
My conclusion is that compared to a well designed modern touring ski with a very small amount of camber (ie <55% camber length and <2mm camber per ski) pure reverse skis add about 5% performance in funky snow, but cost 20% in the skin track.
The trouble is that there are very few modern shaped touring skis, and most 85-100mm touring skis have super whack shapes, stiffnesses, flex patterns that exacerbate their shortcomings, and make them even "unfun" in softslab and worse snow.
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02-15-2023, 10:52 AM #583Registered User
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02-15-2023, 11:31 AM #585Registered User
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The Trab Magicos are super damp, super durable but very demanding skis in that I found the split tail shape to really lock you into turns. That's an experience I've had echoed to me by at least 3 people. So really demanding in that skiing in any way except what the skis want is pretty effortful.
Trabs are up with Movement and Aski as dampest 1-ish-kg skis. I would say Aski is dampest, then Trab then movement. Big gap to anything else.
In terms of stiffness, trabs will be less stiff than the Zero Gs. I feel like stiffness is the only thing going for the Zero Gs and that you have to be a former ski racer to truly ski the Zero Gs well. Typical Zero G skier gets kicked into the back seat constantly.
I don't have experience on the Wayback 88 unfortunately. Something tells me you should ask skimoco about the Volkl rise beyond 88 or the Dynafit Blacklight Pro/series. The Dynafit Blacklight 88 "skied heavy" - felt like it punched through crud. Trab felt like it absorbed crud if that difference makes sense.
Another thing to consider is if a ski is damper or simply heavier. I think the Zero G line is just heavier. If your ski is 30% heavier than an actual 1kg ski then it'll ski better. The Trab is nice because you can get the same shape but get up to a 1200g ski if you want. Same thing with the Backland line.
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02-16-2023, 07:43 AM #586Registered User
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Re: Factions:
I had two pairs of Factions Agent, the 2.0 and 1.0. Both came in well above listed weight. 1.0 was significantly heavier than claimed.
So if you are looking at Factions, make sure you get a real weight (assuming that matters to you).Last edited by Tjaardbreeuwer; 02-16-2023 at 09:24 AM.
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02-16-2023, 10:39 AM #587
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02-16-2023, 11:10 AM #588Registered User
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02-20-2023, 09:13 PM #589Registered User
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Does anyone have rec for a spring pant or just a solution to keep snow out of boots? I want it as light/cold as possible. I actually usually wear shorts only whenever it's >32F and sunny, but then when I'm skiing down or booting snow gets in my boots, so I am now looking for pants (or a solution).
I'm seeing some pants that are like $200 but that seems frustrating. Any suggestions?
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02-20-2023, 09:29 PM #590
I recently got some of these, mainly because they come in tall sizing: https://www.mammut.com/us/en/product...brid-pants-men
Used them racing beer league skimo and they worked great, last year i was wearing tights and that put a lot of snow in my boots on the bootpack. Also nice on warm days, or short trips up the local hills too as my light "touring specific" shell pants are still a little much a lot of the time. Have side vent zips and then zippers on the bottoms to widen the cuff. No gaiter but scuff guards and a rubber gripper around the bottom. With my backlands I can zip them down and it's pretty tight around them although I also don't expect they'd fit over a big boot. Pretty slim fitting. I do wish they had a better waist adjuster- it's just a string plus a stretchy waistband, no belt loops. Side velcro deals or something would be nice.
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02-20-2023, 09:44 PM #591Registered User
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This was super helpful. I’m fairly convinced if like the Magico for a lot of applications. The Aski was on my short list but Skimoco sold out of my size.
The main hold up with the trabs is the cost… I’ve never fully clicked with any pair of light skis. I’m thinking these might fit my use pretty darn well but $1100 is a lot of money for a best guess.
I’ll ponder a bit more and see where I end up.
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02-21-2023, 10:52 AM #592Registered User
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Anyone have time on both the Kastle TX 87 and 93?
Can't seem to find anyone with insight into the difference on snow. I can't imagine 6cm is a lot but there has to be a reason they've got both in their lineup.For Sale:
If you're in the Northeast and would like to borrow some Jigarex Plates I have:
Rossi/Look plates
Salomon Warden 13 plates
Marker Kingpin Plates
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02-21-2023, 12:08 PM #593Registered User
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Yeah, they are hella expensive.
The ski shape is pretty unique IMO - the tails really messed with me - so it might be worth demoing or even buying the cheaper version. The La Sportiva-branded cheaper versions pop up for really low prices pretty frequently.
Uh..... what size Aski are you looking for haha. 175? Maybe we can work some TGR Skinny Ski Ski Tourers Refuge magic.
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02-28-2023, 02:04 PM #594one of those sickos
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Someone here might be interested. RS is the answer if you like light, stiff, quick transitions.
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...d.php?t=351761ride bikes, climb, ski, travel, cook, work to fund former, repeat.
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02-28-2023, 03:12 PM #595Registered User
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Loving my F1 LT's but the only bc boot I've had trouble with keeping my toes warm (and my feet normally run hot). Anyone played with putting insulating tape (thinking either Mylar or Polyimide/ Kapton tape) on the internal toe box or anything like that? Or even Mylar on the outside of their liners?
TLDR; Ski faster. Quit breathing. Don't crash.
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02-28-2023, 03:43 PM #596Registered User
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The TGR Skinny Ski Ski Tourers' Refuge Thread
I use vapor barrier socks when I ski my F1 LT’s in cold temps (anything colder than 10ish Fahrenheit). They prevent my socks and liners from absorbing any sweat and I notice that my feet stay significantly warmer. I run them against my skin underneath the CT Pro sock from LeBent (which is awesome BTW).
The plastic produce bags that you see at the grocery store work great and won’t alter the fit of your boots at all. I’ve yet to find a commercially produced VBL sock that works as well as these. The main disadvantages are that they are pretty much only good for a single day’s use, and are kind of gross to take off at the end of the day when they are filled with sweat.
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03-02-2023, 09:39 AM #598Gel-powered Tech bindings
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I keep it real with jeans:
https://skimo.co/crazy-idea-hugo-pants
... if they're not really actual real jeans!Mo' skimo here: NE Rando Race Series
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03-02-2023, 04:51 PM #599Registered User
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Nice! Let us know how it goes. Vapor barrier socks seem cool too - I've never heard of those.
Friend recommended the Strafe Recon pants. He said Gaston told him he made them for himself to train in because he doesn't want to train in a skinsuit. Seems really light, exactly the features I need, and only $140. Promising.
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