Alec Baldwin WTF

[Danno]

You guys are so passionate about this incident. Fascinating.

are you new to the internet?

[leroy jenkins]

Nope. Margot Robbie and Brad Pitt and even the child actors have to clear the weapons they are handed. They also better crawl under the vehicles used and check the brake lines. Do a walk around on any aircraft. Examine the explosives being prepped for any scenes. Etc etc.

Yea, if the actor, as part of a scene, is actually flying the fucking aircraft, yes, FAA regs to require them to preflight it themselves.

not rocket surgery.

Even your hyperbole is like, well yea, duh, and not the absurdity you think it is.


I don't get the disdain for personal responsibility with you anti gun types. Like, I get you don't like guns, but if guns are so bad, isn't being extra safe with them good?

[leroy jenkins]

Stop inserting your dumb fucking agendas into this - it was an incompetent armorer. John wick had competent ones. Are actors that have worked extensively with firearms more likely to double check them? Maybe, feels probable. Has Alec Baldwin acted in many movies handling firearms? Not to my knowledge.

Its not just probably, the guys running the wick movies took proactive steps to make sure this won't happen because they have engrained habits for gun safety.

I'm not inserting any agendas, hollywierd is super wierd and has a contradictor hate boner for guns, and a weird culture about handling them, echoed by you dumb cunts saying 'no you don't have to follow safe handling rules if you're an actor' for some dumb reason.

[leroy jenkins]

You just hope every one of these actors cleared that firearm.

But how do you know that the next guy didn’t drop a live round in? Better check it again.

. No, for this, you just use a dummy gun, genius. There is no need to use a real gun for a scene not featuring a gunshot.


I'm glad you guys dont handle guns much. I'd be scared to be around any of you with a gun.

[m2711c]

bless your heart.


fact.

[CarlMega]

If only there was a dedicated person on these movie sets to manage things like 'real or dummy' guns, educating lay people to handling and control the props so they are safe. Yeah, quite a concept - but as LJ points out, hollywood just lets the actors, craft services and passerbys make these decisions.

[jm2e]

are you new to the internet?

You’d think, right?!?!?
But I’ve been trolling around the interwebz for years without noticing much Baldwin Talk. Maybe I have a different algorithm.


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[bennymac]

. No, for this, you just use a dummy gun, genius. There is no need to use a real gun for a scene not featuring a gunshot.


I'm glad you guys dont handle guns much. I'd be scared to be around any of you with a gun.

How do the actors know it’s a dummy gun?

Jesus you’d just trust someone handing you a gun and saying “don’t worry bro it’s just a prop”. I’d be scared to be around you with a gun you are irresponsible and unsafe. Shame.

[m2711c]

If only Leroy would think of safety first. bless his heart…


fact.

[leroy jenkins]

How do the actors know it’s a dummy gun?

Jesus you’d just trust someone handing you a gun and saying “don’t worry bro it’s just a prop”. I’d be scared to be around you with a gun you are irresponsible and unsafe. Shame.

Dummy guns are made out of rubber and you can feel that they are not real, as opposed to blank guns, or empty guns, or airsoft guns. A dummy gun is obviously not a gun, in all but looks, weight and texture will both be way off.

I still don't get this disdain for safe handling practices that you rabidly anti gun types all seem to share. Doesn't seem to make sense.

And you'd be scared to be around anyone with a gun.

[bennymac]

most reasonable mags either have you on ignore or if they don’t they just pass by your “dear diary” walls of text where you make up shit and try to pass yourself off as an authority on everything like a 7 year old kid who is so needy and pathetically desperate to be right. You shoulda outgrown this need but you didn’t. Which is why you now admit you’re a troll. Sad.

Every once in awhile some mags will engage and, after pages and pages of back and forth where you double and triple down on your bullshit, then - occasionally - mags will have the patience and fortitude to bust down the giant wall of entitled narcissistic bullshit and it always always ends with you saying “ok I was wrong. But whatabout….”

Lol.

[schuss]

Its not just probably, the guys running the wick movies took proactive steps to make sure this won't happen because they have engrained habits for gun safety.

I'm not inserting any agendas, hollywierd is super wierd and has a contradictor hate boner for guns, and a weird culture about handling them, echoed by you dumb cunts saying 'no you don't have to follow safe handling rules if you're an actor' for some dumb reason.

By calling it hollyweird you're signaling where you're coming from and you jump to massive conclusions on any number of things.
Just shut up

[XXX-er]

I'm not inserting any agendas, hollywierd is super wierd and has a contradictor hate boner for guns, and a weird culture about handling them, echoed by you dumb cunts saying 'no you don't have to follow safe handling rules if you're an actor' for some dumb reason.

think about what they are doing in a movie they are pointing weapons at and shooting someone which is never in any way safe handling of the weapon they are in fact portraying the unsafe handling of weapons thats why weapon should be checked and certifyed cold by the armorer, i wouldn't trust an actor to do that cuz that is not their job and they don't have the weapons background

[charlesj]

Executive producer (Baldwin et al) chose to save a lot of money with location and crew. Normally there is a high degree of specialization on a set. There are many jobs on a set that if done ineptly could have tragic results. Grips work with heavy shit and gaffers work with lots of current.

Producers were cavalier in hiring someone incapable of doing one of her two jobs. IIRC she was the daughter of someone in the biz, that’s typical in LA. I once worked on a production with many 2nd generation producers. Sometimes they go from assistant prop master (a crew position) to associate producer ( above the line in Hollywood speak) The death was a result of the producers’ desire to save money.


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[mcski]

Her dad is a super well known / respected armorer in the industry. Knowing that, it’s surprising to me that she fucked up so badly having been around that scene most of her life. It wasn’t like she was some rando exec’s kid working in an unknown area. Can’t imagine how her dad felt as I’m sure he vouched for her ability

[XXX-er]

there could be many ways to fuck up the job but its hard to top someone getting killed with the gun she declared cold, I would take the point of view that she got the job due to nepotism not cuz she knew what she was doing

[MultiVerse]

The AD handed the gun over after announcing "cold gun." The armorer wasn't present at the time.

[bennymac]

Executive producer (Baldwin et al) chose to save a lot of money with location and crew. Normally there is a high degree of specialization on a set. There are many jobs on a set that if done ineptly could have tragic results. Grips work with heavy shit and gaffers work with lots of current.

Producers were cavalier in hiring someone incapable of doing one of her two jobs. IIRC she was the daughter of someone in the biz, that’s typical in LA. I once worked on a production with many 2nd generation producers. Sometimes they go from assistant prop master (a crew position) to associate producer ( above the line in Hollywood speak) The death was a result of the producers’ desire to save money.


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“Let’s save money and hire one of those cheaper armorers - you know the kind that will often bring real bullets onto the set.”

You’re painting this as a lack of skill or experience issue. Like all up and coming armorers have a habit of bringing live rounds onto set and only the more experienced (and more expensive) armorers have learned not to do that.

[bobz]

Well, it isn't about "experience", per se, but it is about sloppiness and half-assedness, which I would presume a movie set is likely to have more of if it's poorly funded and poorly managed. And I presume that paying more for a more experienced armorer improves the chances that they aren't a total flake.

[bennymac]

But then we should see a corresponding glut of shot dead actors and crew from Hollywood B movies and independent films due to their low budgets.

[bobz]

Yeah. Well I guess it's a fine line; probably most low-budget flicks aren't bothering with you-can-see-the-bullets-in-the-chamber authenticity, even if they do cut some corners and have some inattentive types on their crew. I just rewatched the awesomely low-budget classic Tapeheads the other night; the guns in that movie were probably water pistols.

[m2711c]

more dead actors from gunplay than i would have thought, according to teh googles. not really enough to be considered a "glut" though...


fact.

[bennymac]

If this happened to Clint Eastwood would we see so many people passionately calling it his fault for not trusting the armorer when she passed him a cold gun?

[leroy jenkins]

If this happened to Clint Eastwood would we see so many people passionately calling it his fault for not trusting the armorer when she passed him a cold gun?

But it didn't. And it wouldn't It isn't just coincidence. People who have safe personal gun handling practices, will hire and trust an armorer, but will also take personal responsibility when the gun is in their hand.

I don't get what is so rocket surgery about this.

[mcski]

more dead actors from gunplay than i would have thought, according to teh googles. not really enough to be considered a "glut" though...


fact.

I count 3 gun related since 1990. What number are you looking at?