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Thread: Alec Baldwin WTF
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07-15-2024, 06:28 AM #1126
So they were rehearsing a scene, and not filming one? Then why was she behind the camera, and the gun pointed at her?
Any ONE of these thigns would have prevented this:
The armorer clearing the gun.
Baldwin clearing the gun.
Rehearsing the scene by pointing the gun at the camera, and not the camerawoman.
Pulling the trigger with the gun pointed in a safe direction.
Not pulling the trigger while the gun was pointed at a person.
Doing ALL these things, would be, just easy simple safe handling. Skipping any of them is negligence, but skipping one isn't going to kill anyone. Skipping all of them together could and did lead to someone's death.__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________
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07-15-2024, 06:31 AM #1127__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________
"We don't need predator control, we need whiner control. Anyone who complains that "the gummint oughta do sumpin" about the wolves and coyotes should be darted, caged, and released in a more suitable habitat for them, like the middle of Manhattan." - Spats
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Cisco and his wife are fragile idiots who breed morons.
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07-15-2024, 07:00 AM #1128
This post could be on page one of this thread and maybe it would be relevant
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07-15-2024, 08:11 AM #1129
Small fact which is of relevance to the current discussion. The assistant director handed the gun to Baldwin and, per protocol, announced “cold gun” indicating the gun was not loaded. He pled and received a light sentence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_shooting_incident
This fits into the intel I got that the set was a fucked up shit show.
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07-15-2024, 09:27 AM #1130
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07-17-2024, 04:37 PM #1131
The armorer asks for a new trial: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/17/a...smid=url-share
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07-17-2024, 06:31 PM #1132
I Think Hollywood in general has a pretty weird culture with guns. Obviously obsessed with them, but also hate them, but the other perhaps more important contradiction, is the disdain they feel for firearms owners, gets translated to the rules of properly handling a firearm as well, and the narcissm that makes them want to disarm others, is the same narcissism that makes them feel exempt from having to learn those rules and habituate themselves to obey them. Those rules say, you personally clear every gun handed to, among other things that would have prevented this.
Seems the hollywierd types who actually like guns don't have these problems. No one has died on a John Wick set.__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________
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Cisco and his wife are fragile idiots who breed morons.
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07-17-2024, 07:02 PM #1133Registered User
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i know its hard for some of you to understand but the armorer is suposed to take care of the weapons and the actor's act
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07-17-2024, 07:37 PM #1134
Nope. Margot Robbie and Brad Pitt and even the child actors have to clear the weapons they are handed. They also better crawl under the vehicles used and check the brake lines. Do a walk around on any aircraft. Examine the explosives being prepped for any scenes. Etc etc.
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07-17-2024, 07:43 PM #1135
thats yer method acting right there.
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07-17-2024, 07:43 PM #1136
Sorry, the same narcism allows them to believe no one would ever hand them a loaded gun. So they just have to do their scripted part.
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07-17-2024, 07:49 PM #1137
Stop inserting your dumb fucking agendas into this - it was an incompetent armorer. John wick had competent ones. Are actors that have worked extensively with firearms more likely to double check them? Maybe, feels probable. Has Alec Baldwin acted in many movies handling firearms? Not to my knowledge.
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07-17-2024, 09:20 PM #1138
This 'clearing' talk is stupid. It was a revolver. In a scene, where the gun is pointed directly at the camera.
Was the scene supposed to include a visual like so? Dummy/cold rounds? Seen it a million time in movies - because movies aren't real.
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07-17-2024, 09:38 PM #1139
You just hope every one of these actors cleared that firearm.
But how do you know that the next guy didn’t drop a live round in? Better check it again.
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07-17-2024, 10:36 PM #1140
I would think that a stunt driver doing a dangerous scene would make sure the car was in good working order, make sure the brakes work, etc, before doing the stunt. I am sure anyone actually piloting a plane would do a checklist. And I'm sure the explosives guys who actually set off the explosion--not the actor who pretends to--would check the set up personally. Never been on a movie set, so I suppose I could be wrong, but I would be surprised if they didn't.
I sure never took anyone elses word for the patient's name and which leg I was cutting off. We are all responsible for our actions.
And btw, I don't think Baldwin is criminally responsible, just morally and maybe civilly.
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07-17-2024, 10:51 PM #1141
Alec Baldwin WTF
You likely verbally confirm with the nurse when they hand you a syringe of medicine. But you don’t stand over their shoulder while they draw it up. You don’t travel to the pharma company to ensure the right label went on the right bottle. Because there is what is reasonable and then there are absurd ideas about taking it to the extreme.
Baldwin isn’t guilty criminally or morally - maybe in civil court by only because he’s listed as producer - not at all because he held the gun.
You talk about the pilot, the stuntman, the explosives expert and the jobs they do to ensure safety on set - same goes for the armorer. Not the actor who is there to pretend.
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07-18-2024, 07:15 AM #1142
I would’ve just walked away.
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07-18-2024, 10:30 AM #1143Registered User
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To be fair...there isn't actually a need to be literally behind the camera. The cameras can be fully controlled from a remote and monitored on an external screen. If you're filming a close up where you need a real gun pointed directly at the camera, there's really no reason to have someone directly behind the camera other than force of habit.
Presumably that's partially the armorer's job...coordinating with the director and other crew to make sure everything is done safely.
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07-18-2024, 10:32 AM #1144
I'm talking about the end user--the pilot, the stuntman, the explosives expert who detonates the charge, the actor who pulls the trigger.
As far as the nurse--she's the end user, which means she checks the info on the med vial against the patient's wrist band every time. Which is not absurd or extreme. But your analogy about traveling to pharma is.
Why do you have so much trouble with the idea of being personally responsible for your actions?
As far as the armorer, obviously there is some culpability but it's impossible to know how much without knowing how the live ammo got on set--did she bring it. Did someone else put look-alike live ammo in a box with blanks? Who else had access to the locked safe where ammo was supposedly stored? Was anyone doing live shooting on the set? Maybe some of these questions have already been answered--I haven't followed that closely.
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07-18-2024, 10:36 AM #1145Registered User
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The live ammo is a whole separate problem, but it’s still 100% the armorer’s responsibility and no one else’s. Full stop. That’s their job. If someone is breaking protocol, they are not doing their job.
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07-18-2024, 11:18 AM #1146"fuck off you asshat gaper shit for brains fucktard wanker." - Jesus Christ
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07-18-2024, 11:44 AM #1147Registered User
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07-18-2024, 11:45 AM #1148
FWIW, both the live rounds and the dummy rounds were housed in Starline Brass casings. Dummies in movies are distinguished by a drilled casing and a dimpled primer. Sometimes however the primer needs to look real for close-up shots so that's not always a clear indicator. Baldwin would have had to unload the gun and see the drilled casing to be sure.
One of the reasons why the armorer wants her conviction overturned is because the prosecutors theory of how the live rounds made it on the set appears to be flawed based on the evidence they buried. It now appears likely Seth Kenney, who supplied Rust with ammo and guns, including the one used by Baldwin, also included live rounds in addition to the dummy rounds.
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07-18-2024, 12:25 PM #1149
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07-18-2024, 04:42 PM #1150
You guys are so passionate about this incident. Fascinating.
However many are in a shit ton.
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