Alec Baldwin WTF

[toast2266]

Been trying to wrap my head around this one, if you strip down all the circumstances around the film and production, what it comes down to is two folks playing pretend with a firearm. One loads the firearm and the other pulls the trigger. Everything else circumstantial will be left to attorneys, jurors and a judge to sort out?

If two people were doing this same activity in their backyard and a bystander gets killed, are the charges brought forth any different?

Also remember that the bystander knowingly and willingly stood in front of the gun as the trigger was pulled. Because everyone, including the bystander, was relying on a professional's statement that the gun was cold.

[SumJongGuy]

So in your car analogy the problem is the gas, not the car?

What about a grenade? The finger that pulls the pin is the problem, otherwise a grenade isn’t hurting anyone.

Where’s that horse?




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Nope, regardless of the gas, if the CAR hits someone the car is what kills them.. If someone waves a toy gun at police and the police shoot them it's the bullet that kills them.

This whole incident just supports the whole concept that it's bullets that should be more regulated. Keep your AK47.. but lead projectile bullets for it should be harder to get than Sudafed is..

In fact, perhaps blanks and wads should be all you can get. You can shoot targets with wads.. at least from 30 feet away or so..

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Nope, regardless of the gas, if the CAR hits someone the car is what kills them.. If someone waves a toy gun at police and the police shoot them it's the bullet that kills them.

This whole incident just supports the whole concept that it's bullets that should be more regulated. Keep your AK47.. but lead projectile bullets for it should be harder to get than Sudafed is..

In fact, perhaps blanks and wads should be all you can get. You can shoot targets with wads.. at least from 30 feet away or so..

This is some wonderful circular logic. I’m all for more stringent gun controls but it’s people that are the problem not cars and projectiles. Do you mean cartridge when you say bullet or just the bullet?


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[SumJongGuy]

All a bullet is is a projectile. You mean a cartridge, but ok, even ignoring that, can you tell me how a cartridge without a bore to propel the bullet is dangerous? Unless its like a 50BMG or larger there really is not much destructive power there without a bore to focus it. And they are fairly stable. Theyre not going to go off by getting dropped.

When I was as smart as I used to be, I played with bullets, cartridges, and primers a lot. If you hit the primer the right way, you can get it to go off. One in a million shot on a little rock or something is possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6VMTSnzOPg

A cartridge will definitely go off if it lands just right on something. I personally know of an instance where a guy loading 9mm into a magazine dropped a cartridge and it went off.

A kid i our neighborhood taped a BB to the middle of a shot gun shell end and kept throwing it up in the air until it landed just right and exploded. I've heard other idiocy of drunk people putting rounds in a camp fire.. Redneck Roulette..

In this situation.. Whoever added real bullets to the box of dummy bullets set off this chain of events that resulted in death.. Whoever loaded the gun whatever EXPERTS declared it safe are also more responsible than the idiot who believed them.

[SumJongGuy]

This is some wonderful circular logic. I’m all for more stringent gun controls but it’s people that are the problem not cars and projectiles. Do you mean cartridge when you say bullet or just the bullet?


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Let folks have blanks/wads. You can defend yourself with them but not likely to also kill bystanders 50 yards away. The lead bullet is usually the problem not the cartridge. Yes you can kill someone with a blank at point blank.. just like you can with a knife.. It's way more likely if they're 5-10 feet away and threatening you and you shoot them they will just wish they were dead giving you time to get away from them..

If it was blanks instead if an actual 45 caliber bullet the woman likely survives the accident. Of course if it was the dummy it was supposed to be the human dummy(s) wouldn't be going on trial for manslaughter.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

So you agree it’s the armorer’s fault and not the bullet’s?


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[SumJongGuy]

So you agree it’s the armorer’s fault and not the bullet’s?


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Did the armor put real bullets in the gun? We still don't even know who actually did that do we? If real bullets were illegal and not readily available to the general public this doesn't happen

Bullets should be 100% illegal for all non leo citizens.. Make possession of bullets every bit as high of a crime as possession of Fentanyl. You don't need real lead bullets to defend yourself from bad actors. There are other projectile options' with lower odds of collateral damage yet effective for self defense at close range.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

You don’t really understand an armorer’s job.


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[east or bust]

Did the armor put real bullets in the gun? We still don't even know who actually did that do we? If real bullets were illegal and not readily available to the general public this doesn't happen

Bullets should be 100% illegal for all non leo citizens.. Make possession of bullets every bit as high of a crime as possession of Fentanyl. You don't need real lead bullets to defend yourself from bad actors. There are other projectile options' with lower odds of collateral damage yet effective for self defense at close range.

QFF

[Bunion 2020]

You don’t really understand an armorer’s job.

Add it to a very long list.

[I Skied Bandini Mountain]

Please stop quoting SJG.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Please stop quoting SJG.

Why? Do you lack the ability to not read his posts or quotes of said posts? Is your scroll function disabled?


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[Core Shot]

SJG shoots blanks.

Not surprised.

PS. How’s that war against fentanyl working out for you?

[leroy jenkins]

A cartridge will definitely go off if it lands just right on something. I personally know of an instance where a guy loading 9mm into a magazine dropped a cartridge and it went off.

It is possible sure. And how dangerous was that when it did happen?

[leroy jenkins]

A kid i our neighborhood taped a BB to the middle of a shot gun shell end and kept throwing it up in the air until it landed just right and exploded. I've heard other idiocy of drunk people putting rounds in a camp fire.. Redneck Roulette..

In this situation.. Whoever added real bullets to the box of dummy bullets set off this chain of events that resulted in death.. Whoever loaded the gun whatever EXPERTS declared it safe are also more responsible than the idiot who believed them.

And the kid and neighborhood was fine right? Or else you'd be describing the awesome destructive power of that massive explosion and high velocity shrapnel from a shotgun shell with no bore.

[leroy jenkins]

Did the armor put real bullets in the gun? We still don't even know who actually did that do we? If real bullets were illegal and not readily available to the general public this doesn't happen

Bullets should be 100% illegal for all non leo citizens.. Make possession of bullets every bit as high of a crime as possession of Fentanyl. You don't need real lead bullets to defend yourself from bad actors. There are other projectile options' with lower odds of collateral damage yet effective for self defense at close range.

This is divorced from reality.

[Meadow Skipper]

Why? Do you lack the ability to not read his posts or quotes of said posts? Is your scroll function disabled?

I just wonder why you bother to respond. Unless you enjoy nonsensical, time-wasting foolishness? I think the history proves there’s little constructive value in it.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I’m wasting time at work waiting for surgery to start, so yeah


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[Meadow Skipper]

I’m wasting time at work waiting for surgery to start, so yeah

Maybe troll someone that’s not a waste of time?

[leroy jenkins]

I just wonder why you bother to respond. Unless you enjoy nonsensical, time-wasting foolishness? I think the history proves there’s little constructive value in it.

How else am I going to make myself feel smart if not hitting the slow pitches?

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Maybe troll someone that’s not a waste of time?

My apologies. I’m fascinated by people like him, clueless but confident


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[Ted Striker]

...so, people.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Yeah


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[Adolf Allerbush]

I just wonder why you bother to respond. Unless you enjoy nonsensical, time-wasting foolishness? I think the history proves there’s little constructive value in it.

That would seem to describe the Padded Room in general.

[ötzi]

My apologies. I’m fascinated by people like him, clueless but confident

My Dad used to say, Ignorance and Arrogance is the unbeatable combination.