The Great Resignation ‘21

[Foggy_Goggles]

Are they paying what you charge?

For now, yes. But Freddy and I are basically working for either a. the 1% or b. the fake 1% the are fixing to get burned bad by whatever game they are playing.

[SumJongGuy]

Jongy, I generally agree with you except I'm the dumbass that really prefers to pay people to work not to not work.

The inevitable wave of automation will make that less and less feasible. It will either be the GOP socialism nightmare or a total blood bath when we get to the point where human labor is competing with AI and robots for 75% of all non uber high tech jobs. We're already at around 25% now..

Hell, the job I do today used to take hundreds more people to do..

People still need to work, helping others hopefully.. , but it will be for sanity and ego instead of sustenance money.

[dunfree]

“Pay people more”= inflation.

I have one full time employee. He is paid $5 more than the national avg for his job. Plus Workman’s comp, and unemployment insurance and payroll taxes. He needs to stop fucking shit up too. I don’t know why I do it. Either I hire more people or just go solo. Probably be better off solo sometimes but it is nice to have the company I guess.

I charge more than anyone else and customers are still calling constantly. Booked 1 month out most of the year. Good problems but fkna I need a vacation.

yes, the business owning, stock owning dildos whining about inflation are mad the poors are making $ while they the business owning stock owning dildos make $$$

but don’t call it class warfare, just rim the 1% like fastfred and foggygoggles

[TBS]

In case ya'll didn't know, Fred and I have a contract with the Chamber of Commerce.

I don't know anyone in the trades doing the "help wanted" thing. All we do is shuffle the employees around and get older. People are finding new and special ways to fuck shit up, do half the job and so on. Its unbelievable. I look at like easy money to just put it in second gear, make it look good and send the bill. But apparently that is too much to ask.

You sound like my brother - was a GC on the OR Coast for 30 years, hung it up 10 years ago. Esp “finding new and special ways to fuck things up”.

“Most of’em, job is someplace to go when surf’s no good and the bars are closed”.

My bro got to the point where he had a small crew he kept on year-round at good pay, benefits, paid training, and then would raise prices or extend lead times to match his labor supply. Said he made more money and slept better

Unemployment rate is 3.4% in CO. Building trades don’t attract the rocket scientists. Keep your expectations low.

[Foggy_Goggles]

No inflation whining here but I'm no 1%ers (is that measured on net worth or income? I do better than one or the other). You've heard this before, I try and listen to what you say but your smart shit is drowned out by the hate. At least around here, the dildos are raising their prices more than wages are rising. We could agree if you could see past your rage.

I don't think the Andrew Wang model of automating ourselves out of relevance is the immediate problem. I mean have you seen the pile of shit the roomba leaves under the couch?

[Foggy_Goggles]

TBS gets it. Fred has the same business model as your bro. I went full fuck it and just do it all myself.

[XXX-er]

I have heard a few guys who grew big then grew small again talk about how they net made the same or more money but with way less hassle running a small crew or no crew than cornering the market on fucking up

one guy was the concrete mogul said you only get one chance to not fuck it up

[fastfred]

whatd I miss I was busy mounting my own skis
now I got jizz all over my hands

[Conundrum]

Yours?

[MagnificentUnicorn]

whatd I miss I was busy mounting my own skis
now I got jizz all over my hands

Put down your phone before you finish


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[TBS]

In my little Central OR hamlet of retirees, WFH’rs and 2nd homeowners, every business in town is desperate for people. The grocery store is offering $17 with benefits. Wait-staff is $12 plus tips. It’s about $1/hr higher in bigger towns 20 miles away.

Like FF and FG discuss for CO, housing is a huge problem. The shittiest single family home is $400k. The few 3/2s on the market are at about $650k. Apt rents are about $1500/mo and getting jacked 10%/yr. Probably 25% of the restaurant staff here is living on USFS land.

Largely because we are virtually out of buildable residential land, hemmed in between USFS and agricultural-commercial forest zoning.

There’s a subdivision under construction (one of the last two parcels available) that was supposed to house workers for the one real “export” business here - Laird Superfoods - who have now skipped town. Those jobs were paying around $20-30/hr - those “affordable” homes are going for $650k for 1500sf.

So more affluent retirees and 2nd homeowners move here who bitch about the lack of services. The town at least had the good sense to limit STRs.

The next closest towns are 20 miles away - while home prices are maybe 15% lower in one, they are Sky high in the other. Fuel prices make commuting expensive.

It’s not sustainable.

There’s a builder in the area - subdivision level- who sells new homes to their employees at both discounts to market and they pay off 20% over five years of employment. They do all work thru subs so it doesn’t make a big dent, but it’s one way to deal with this

Our chamber of commerce is also looking at creating bus service between here and next towns, who also have the same affordability problems

[Name Redacted]

Had to reschedule a job recently because my one employee was sick. I was already doing them a favor squeezing them in early because they gave a sob story. Rich bitch tells her husband “Typical Summit County Bullshit!” I wanted to reach through the phone and strangle that cunt. Phone # was from CT. Probably Bunny’s ex.

[TBS]

^does her project get deferred to April of Never?

[Foggy_Goggles]

This, of coarse, may change but right now everyone has the choice of where they go to work. The applies to employees, sub contractors and businesses. Unreasonable customer used to really stress me out. How that I've been at it for a few decades I just laugh it off. One of the biggest high end GCs is having this problem right now. I told him that I just didn't want to go to his jobs anymore because the vibe wasn't good for my brain. This may change and I may go begging for work. But right now you better all but be offering coffee and donuts.

[Bunion 2020]

I know 2 Superintendents who said fuck it, this is the last 3 year, 10K sq f house for me.

Their boss's managed to talk them into "just 1 more? Please"

[Foggy_Goggles]

Retiring or something else? I get job offers to be a Project Manager all the time. I'm not ready for that quite yet...or never.

[Bunion 2020]

Both are ready for SS. As Superintendents they have a set of bags at the site but rarely put them on. Mainly they herd cats of chickens, take your pick.

The life of a PM looks like a living hell. They deal with the clients a lot and the clients might start out a wonderful people but by the end? Not so much.

I am finishing up a Power Point to present to a clients staff this week, all the Sups and PMs will be there, should be a barrel of laughs.

[fastfred]

I think most people in this country have very little idea of how much wealth is out there but concentrated into the 1%

a few of my customers make well over 10 million a year that's just wages

another customer we are in the middle of a two year remodel on friday she started to whine alittle about how much it costs I just said I understand and let her whine
her house is one of the largest in breckenridge and in a mint location she gets unsolicited offers to buy the house which is well over 10 million
meanwhile she owns three other houses in town and was telling me how she wanted to buy another house but they were four million apart on what she offered and what they were asking she had all the math figured out and sat down with the realtor to prove him wrong

another guy who fits in well around town bought two houses for almost five million cash he just happened to write a computer program in the 1990's that is one of the most important programs to keep the money rolling in society

my ex has an income of 500k a year for just being alive her family is one of the largest land owners in the country and they have diversified from there the family business is part of every americans life she drives a used car lives in a small house her parents look like back woods colorado people drive beater cars and have a modest home in rural colorado you would never know

do you think any of these people want to pay double so I can pay the best wages possible? They all cry about how much things cost its funny to me

I'm ready to quit but the money is way too good for me

[mcski]

The real money is concentrated w the .01 people. They’re the real drag on progress as their money sits on the sidelines. At least people on welfare plow all they have back into the economy

[skiballs]

I feel like I walked into the bar where the local contractors drink.
Some shit, different decade.


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[SumJongGuy]

So, no more yelling at each other and gather the torches and pitchforks??.. er umm vote for social safety nets and saving social security.

[Meadow Skipper]

This thread is really delivering today. fastfred broke character and used punctuation, capitalization, and paragraph breaks, there was a stunningly simplistic explanation for inflation, and people arguing with the clueless contrarians.

Congrats TRG.

[Foggy_Goggles]

The income and population statistic that always hits home for me is the amount of households in the Denver Metro with annual incomes >$200K. It's something like 3% of almost 3million. And why wouldn't those people want a second home in the mountains. This idea that you can stop demand isn't gonna happen unless rich people start not being rich.

[ötzi]

I feel like I walked into the bar where the local contractors drink.
Some shit, different decade.

I lived next door to a farmer for ~15 years and the one thing I learned is that there's never been a good day of weather, it's always too something.

[beer30]

The real money is concentrated w the .01 people. They’re the real drag on progress as their money sits on the sidelines. At least people on welfare plow all they have back into the economy

This