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10-18-2021, 10:30 AM #101______
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School COVID closures and remote school pushed a lot of people out of the workforce in households that can afford it just for the life balance.
At current rates with two kids not in school you need to be post-tax and benefits netting $30-35,000 per year plus expenses for it to make sense. So is saving a couple hundred bucks month worth all of the hassle?
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10-18-2021, 10:32 AM #102
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10-18-2021, 10:35 AM #103______
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You don’t really think people are quitting retail jobs after one shitty interaction do you?
A) if you are young they are told that these minimum wage retail jobs are “entry level”, “not meant to be a career” and b) they should move on to a new job for a real career c) have been told they are “essential” while they are getting treated as disposable.
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10-18-2021, 10:35 AM #104Hucked to flat once
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Yes, that is my point. A few extra hundred a month over a few years used to put a family in a position to have a down payment on a first house. Now it's more like $2-3,000/month to save anything meaningful for a first home purchase. What's the point in working and letting someone else raise your kids to continue to rent until your parents die so you can move into their house?
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10-18-2021, 10:36 AM #105
Another data point on this. My brother is a preschool teacher, and has been living overseas for decades. He has set up schools and preschool programs, so not just a teacher but also has been an administrator. He makes a good living doing it.
Years ago, he considered moving back the states and looked around for work. He discovered that even as an administrator, he couldn't come close to the salary and lifestyle that he had overseas. So he went back to being an expat."fuck off you asshat gaper shit for brains fucktard wanker." - Jesus Christ
"She was tossing her bean salad with the vigor of a Drunken Pop princess so I walked out of the corner and said.... "need a hand?"" - Odin
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10-18-2021, 10:38 AM #106Hucked to flat once
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10-18-2021, 10:49 AM #107
I guess my local perspective is skewed due to our housing problem, among other things. The quality of ‘entry level’ employees/new hires is problematic. As is the ‘over it’ sentiment among the long time, good ones. People are sick of being treated like shit, and actually have options in this hiring environment. The observation is as simple as that.
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10-18-2021, 10:49 AM #108
Being treated like shit by customers stings regardless. When it's coupled with low pay and spineless managers that don't back you to the customer, why the fuck would anyone keep showing up to be abused? Even when I was a teenager, the difference of experience of "supportive boss" compared to "shitty apologist" was enormous to one's own feelings of self-worth.
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10-18-2021, 10:50 AM #109
So we're finally around the point as an economy where people can comfortably demand more than $8/hour for the shittiest jobs available??? COOL! Yes, I know that means I'll have to pay more for a Big Mac going forward...
Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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10-18-2021, 10:52 AM #110
Here minimum wage starts around $20.00 an hour if you are the least bit reliable.
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10-18-2021, 11:01 AM #111
My daughter is the assistant mgr in a nice restaurant. The stories I hear about hiring and keeping good employees is nuts. The mgr hired a buddy that was an absolute psycho. Getting rid of that guy was a nightmare. I am so glad I am in a position to blow work off. I couldn't do it anymore. And ya, tip the people doing work if you want to see them again.
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10-18-2021, 11:18 AM #112
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10-18-2021, 11:21 AM #113
Yes, but it was being countered by someone on here, that’s the entire premise of the thread!
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10-18-2021, 11:21 AM #114
The good news for anyone quitting now is AMZN is looking to hire 150,000 for the holidays.
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10-18-2021, 11:22 AM #115
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10-18-2021, 11:28 AM #116
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10-18-2021, 11:31 AM #117
Aha, here it all is, probably better put.
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10-18-2021, 11:41 AM #118
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10-18-2021, 11:48 AM #119
When we had our third child my wife opened an in-home day care. It wasn't worth keeping her job because it was only adding about $80 month to the household after we paid for day care x3 even though one kid was already after school only. That was before universal Pre-K in VT. All we had to do was buy another fire extinguisher and add a railing to the porch steps. I am not sure exactly how much she made but it was more than $80/mo so we were ahead. She eventually opened her private practice. The kids all went to school after a while and I started working from home. That eliminated the need for after school care. So we lucked out. It still wasn't easy and we were on the financial edge for a while. We had privilege that some folks don't have.
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10-18-2021, 11:59 AM #120I drink it up
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Well, I think the housing problem probably plays into this in a significant way. There’s only so far your average entry level employee is going to be willing/able to go to sling ‘zas at the local joint. If they (or their family) is able to afford to live close enough to make it worth it, they likely have a bigger cushion and less fucks to give.
If the pizza joint is in an area with abundant low income housing, then the labor pool is more likely to have less cushion and accordingly, more fucks. They’ll plaster a smile on their face, put up with Carl’s shit, etc.focus.
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10-18-2021, 12:18 PM #121
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10-18-2021, 12:34 PM #122Registered User
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Hit the nail on the head. It’s mind blowing that this line of thinking is lost on some people.
Been working for a large corporate GC for the last 5 and a half years and the turnover rate amongst our entry level 1-5 year engineers is atrocious. I’ve worked on 3 separate projects with this company and here are the figures ( not including me)
Project 1: 4 of 4 quit
Project 2: 5 of 6 quit
Project 3: 6 of 9 quit and we’re only half way done!
It’s funny, but totally makes sense, how managers are appointed here. It basically requires no questioning of whatever policies get barfed down the food chain, being totally alright with working insane hours on a salary payroll, no reflexibility whatsoever when it comes to teh rulz, and just a boot licker attitude in general.
Example: Friday going into a holiday weekend, craft cuts out at 1pm. Couple engineers finish their shit and leave at 2pm (instead of 5pm), manager goes into payroll system and enters 8hrs vacation for each of them without notifying them. What the actual fuck.
Example 2: We had morning meetings everyday with all of the engineers to go over their tasks… ok, feels micro managy AF already. What this meeting devolved into over the course of a few months was an opportunity for management to berate the engineers and left us know, almost daily, how replaceable we all were. Well the joke was on them when people started dropping like flies, and it turned out they weren’t as replaceable as it was made to be known.
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10-18-2021, 12:41 PM #123______
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10-18-2021, 12:57 PM #124
25 billion into building childcare facilities? Who is going to build this out? Where are the extra materials coming from? Are there 10s of thousands of qualified people to staff them?
This whole multi trillion dollar bill keeps talking about millions of jobs when there doesn't seem to be enough bodies to fill the ones that we already have.
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10-18-2021, 01:02 PM #125
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