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10-19-2021, 07:40 AM #176
If a system like that isn’t working well, it splits people into “see, those systems can’t work” versus “more money, more attention, we need this, let’s do it right”
And both have their reasonable points…my big gripe is when the “it will never work” people start actively sabotaging the thing so it can’t work. I think there’s too much of that element in most govt programs geared towards helping poor people.
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10-19-2021, 07:43 AM #177Registered User
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There's plenty of research on this. Very few would choose not to stay home with their kid again. That doesn't mean they aren't massively punished in their future professions because of it. They loved the time with their kids and don't regret it--but also regret that it cost them their career. It is possible to create policies that more fully enable both.
You can have both a professional, high-quality early care and education experience and the support and variety of home-based care. Most kids these days are not in child care full time from 0-5. The percent of kids who are in full-time formal environments is about 30% for 0-1 year olds up to 80%+ for 4 year olds. That reflects a combination of parental choice to be home more in the younger years, financial reality of affording care, and belief in 3/4 pre-school being more critical for academic development. As of 2019 (when I last directed a major statewide study on this question) -- if parents had their choice with no barriers, it'd be more like 50% of 0-1 y.o. in full-time care to 90%+ for 4 y.o. Still a lot of folks who prefer home-environments, family-friend-and-neighbor care, especially in the early years.
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10-19-2021, 07:51 AM #178
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10-19-2021, 07:54 AM #179
Actually I was thinking of Grover Norquist. But misattributed to Rove. However, fuck him too.
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10-19-2021, 07:55 AM #180Registered User
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the greatest generation: work this job for forty years buy a nice modest home cars and you will be taken care of
boomer: born into the biggest economic growth ever get handed everything on silver platter talk about how you pulled yourself up by your boot straps and hate on the gov't
gen x: whatever
millennials: don't worry I'm going to fuck you over before you fuck me over I'm not stupid
the millennials will eventually change things for the better the current debt that the boomers are forcing us into so they can continue to live their good life is beyond ridiculous some one needs to put an end to it
many people don't care about working because they are betting that things will fall apart and fall quickly in the next couple years
just got a report on the building industry and costs it's pretty sobering
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10-19-2021, 07:56 AM #181______
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I’m going to echo Danno here and put in another vote for ECE. No way my kids would know as much if I were home full time with them. We stayed at home as much as possible between 0-2.
We got lucky and had the grandparents do full time care for a year, but they are 40+ hour a week daycare kids now. We pay through the nose for a place with accreditation and an established curriculum for the staff to follow. Many of the staff are working on teaching degrees or already have an advanced education themselves.
I think most kids would benefit with more time with family AND more opportunities for structured learning.
I suspect the problem at the lower end of the income distribution in dual income homes are leaning heavily on neighbors and grandparents and need two jobs just to make rent and put food on the table.
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10-19-2021, 08:01 AM #182
Well the good thing is if you don't want to go to work, you can stay home, trade meme stocks and take care of the kids at the same time. One door closes, another opens.
"timberridge is terminally vapid" -- a fortune cookie in Yueyang
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10-19-2021, 08:02 AM #183
This thread is enlightening in regards to the difference in people’s priorities. No judgment, different strokes and all.
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10-19-2021, 08:24 AM #184
Regarding college entrance, consider that there is a negative correlation between kids working and kids coming from families with enough money to support the college's endowment in the lifestyle to which it has become accustomed. Nothing to do with what's good for your kid, just that some "good" colleges might have a different set of priorities than you do.
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10-19-2021, 08:29 AM #185Registered User
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I think this is a very typical perspective and experience. And you're spot on re:lower income. The Great Resignation is in part the reckoning of priorities around raising kids.
FWIW, I've got no experience at all as a parent and don't plan to change that. What I do have is almost a decade working in analytics/research/evaluation of EC programs (both ECE and family support programs) at the state level. In some ways my lack of direct experience is a negative, in other ways it helps keep me removed from systems I'm hired to evaluate and improve.
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10-19-2021, 08:34 AM #186Registered User
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10-19-2021, 08:39 AM #187
I spent almost 2 years as a stay at home dad after the dot com crash and collected 18 months of unemployment, not a lot but it was enough with wife still working. Don't know about other folks, but I enjoyed the daddy daycare time but definitely had ENOUGH of that and happily put my kids in daycare and then Pre-K when I went back to work full time. I kept my MS Office skills up to date, and even improved on some things the entire time I was out. That's what kept me relevant and got me hired when things picked up again..
Maybe a better question than "do you regret it?" should be "were you glad to get back to work?" assuming that was an option..Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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10-19-2021, 08:39 AM #188
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10-19-2021, 08:39 AM #189
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10-19-2021, 08:43 AM #190I drink it up
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I’m just glad this thread isn’t overrun with confirmation bias.
Truly, something for everyone here.focus.
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10-19-2021, 08:46 AM #191
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10-19-2021, 08:50 AM #192
Why? The economy needs businesses to work and they'll fight tooth and nail on anything that equals more taxes for them - regardless of benefit. I think funding mechanism is less important than other pieces.
@yeahman - just based on my own history in retail and observations. If businesses are begging teens to work, it's usually because they pay absolute dogshit and don't want to deal with actually paying people real money. Teens are really only good for temp needs and light retail, of which there's not as much in COVID times and rarely do the payscales work out. Teens rarely can pick up extra shifts, so it's more management for a fixed capacity vs. flex capacity.
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10-19-2021, 08:51 AM #193Rope->Dope
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To bring this home to the 'Great Resignation' at hand, I think it's evident enough people are willing to take the hit (and for those with a strong professional reputation and connections, that hit is light) to their career to make child care the priority. The consequences are accepted, life goes on. The choice to drop the kids off with relatives (often free of charge) or through a formal daycare center also have consequences. Eventually, when careers become demanding enough, a live in nanny makes the most sense. Again, consequences. To loosely quote a C-Level Fortune 125 connection of Mrs HGC and I, expanding professional success requires outsourcing of our daily "to do" list. Childcare, cooking, cleaning, maintenance, shopping, etc. are all on the table. Everyone will prioritize that list differently, because you can't have it all.
Maybe through COVID, enough people have realized that you can always work, you can always earn a paycheck, but you can never earn time.
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10-19-2021, 08:58 AM #194
When my in-laws looked after thing#1 we paid them. They needed the money. We didn't have a lot either back then however paying the going rate where they lived saved us 50% vs where we lived (Burlington) even factoring in extra gas and time. Sadly my BIL and his wife thought we were getting free daycare and were bitter about it.
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10-19-2021, 09:18 AM #195Registered User
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Yea for sure regarding the work, it’s a tough job. However those who have left, many of whom I keep tabs with, are still in the industry.
We had some major upheaval 3 or 4 years ago when an outsider was hired into an upper management/exec position, got rid of a bunch of longer time, well respected people, then filled those positions with a bunch of his cronies from the same company he came from. Most of those chuckleheads are gone though the the damage left behind is probably going to last decades. When you have executives fly out to your job who don’t even have the decency to make the rounds with all of their employees, what does that say about their character or how many shits they give about you. Yea, that’s a rhetorical question, we all know the answer.
If there’s one thing I’ve learned over my time in this industry, it’s that there’s a fucking huge difference between cohesion and motivation. People tend to see right through the former.
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10-19-2021, 09:18 AM #196
And there's the other faction of this "Great Resignation".. Those who are quitting over the vaccine requirements.. I don't think they're holding out for better compensation.. #WelfareQueensFTW!
Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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10-19-2021, 09:43 AM #197
Because employers are a direct beneficiary.
Because payroll taxes all already regressive.
Because corporate income tax rates are near historical lows.
Because businesses already fight tooth and nail on anything that equals more taxes for them.
What is the alternative? Personal income taxes? Sales taxes? Something else? Why? Because there is less organized resistance?
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10-19-2021, 09:48 AM #198yelgatgab
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I worry that preschool/daycare will morph into elementary school light. Preschool needs to be fun and nurturing as much or more than it needs to be a hard push for early education. We pulled my son out of the fancy preschool because the regimented style made him miserable. He excelled at the less structured preschool because the focus was on fun and community, which was ultimately more beneficial to him.
Remind me. We'll send him a red cap and a Speedo.
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10-19-2021, 10:19 AM #199
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10-19-2021, 10:35 AM #200
Washington's new state run long term care insurance program (nursing home) goes into effect soon. The state will levy a 0.58% payroll tax on all W-2 workers with no income limit, and no ability to opt out, in order to fund the program. You only get the benefit if you pay in but the total benefit is capped at $36,500. It also can only be used on Washington state nursing homes. It kind of sounds crazy but I think it's the only way we prevent a massive amount of homeless old people on the streets down the road.
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