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12-22-2021, 12:23 PM #826Registered User
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I am not saying use snow science to justify skiing on depth hoar. Avoidance is clearly the best strategy. I'm saying use snow science to monitor weak layers to tell when they are "likely healed" in your words.
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12-22-2021, 12:25 PM #827Registered User
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Sure sounds good, wasn't trying to attack you or anything.
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12-22-2021, 12:39 PM #828
I'd rather wait in a long lines inbounds this coming week than deal with the consequences of thinking I'm capable of safely navigating this snowpack at upper elevations. The competition for first tracks continues to push backcountry users to make more aggressive decisions but it is still December and it seems like we'll have a good base for a long season that will hopefully have a bunch of days with great snow and a more manageable snowpack.
Three fundamentals of every extreme skier, total disregard for personal saftey, amphetamines, and lots and lots of malt liquor......-jack handy
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12-22-2021, 12:59 PM #829
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12-22-2021, 01:06 PM #830Registered User
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What are the odds that PC Patrol walks in the next 72 hours?
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12-22-2021, 01:20 PM #831
That would be precious. They should. $17/hr. For the work they do, that is just obscene. Vail would deserve it, and it would have no one to blame other than itself.
“How does it feel to be the greatest guitarist in the world? I don’t know, go ask Rory Gallagher”. — Jimi Hendrix
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12-22-2021, 01:35 PM #832
Vail has what, 1.4 billion or something cash in hand? And arguing over a $2 increase in hourly wage for a overall small number of salaries. I'd call it unbelievable, but it's sadly very believable.
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12-22-2021, 01:44 PM #833
Good points as always, Mitch.
A tool we have in the ski areas to test for both avalanches and healed snow is explosives.
Helluva tool for both.
My snow pits are mostly measured in 2 pounders.
Difference is that within the ski area boundaries we are actively hunting avalanches.
And when touring I am actively avoiding them.
I don't think a single pit should be a big factor in the decision to ski a slope.
You all might be surprised at how conservative I am in the backcountry when deep slab can be tickled out.
I've never had a problem waiting for stability...Time spent skiing cannot be deducted from one's life.
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12-22-2021, 01:45 PM #834
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12-22-2021, 01:48 PM #835User
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12-22-2021, 01:57 PM #836Hungover & Homeless
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Mar, thanks for explaining for thought process. At the end of the day, people have different levels of experience and different calculated risk tolerances. I try to err on the conservative side, but I've made plenty of questionable decisions and likely will do it again. You likely have much more time waking around this country than I do. I certainly won't disagree that there's a hit of southerly in that aspect and that the Cadiff Bowl slide was a touch north.
With a storm similar to February's on the horizon, lets all turn our textbooks back to the 20/21 thread, page 73, and hope people continue making good choices. Hopefully people took all the activity this past weekend as a wake up call.
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12-22-2021, 02:13 PM #837
I was skinning up PC for exercise this AM and that same thought crossed my mind. Given the holiday crowds, the fact that Epic passholders don't have other options nearby, and the forecast, PC patrol going on strike would send a strong message and hit Vail where it hurts. How many families who spent $10k on a holiday ski trip, get a ton of fresh snow, and then can't go skiing because Vail refused to pay patrollers a living wage are going to leave and never come back if patrol goes on strike?
Three fundamentals of every extreme skier, total disregard for personal saftey, amphetamines, and lots and lots of malt liquor......-jack handy
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12-22-2021, 02:27 PM #838
PC patrol, 100 inch storm coming, Christmas week, PWL. Shaping up to be a wild ride for the next few days!
Sounded like Solitude was out bombing today, maybe they're getting ready to open some stuff?The whole human race is de evolving; it is due to birth control, smart people use birth control, and stupid people keep pooping out more stupid babies.
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12-22-2021, 02:36 PM #839Registered User
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how many patrollers, how many days, how many willing to cover their costs this week for said walk out? i'm in.
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12-22-2021, 02:51 PM #840
no need for a gondola we already have a 98.6 travel ease: https://www.zrankings.com/ski-resorts/4-alta-ski-area
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12-22-2021, 03:00 PM #841User
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12-22-2021, 03:05 PM #842
From a bargaining point of view, it might be a good idea to threaten a strike beginning Friday unless demands are met by Thursday evening. Patrollers deserve and require a living wage to do what they do effectively.
It was one thing to get paid minimum in the '70s-80s when lift tickets cost $10-15, and lessons were $35-50. It's another to treat them poorly when the price of a lift ticket costs ~$200+ and a lesson runs in the range between $350-$1000/day.“How does it feel to be the greatest guitarist in the world? I don’t know, go ask Rory Gallagher”. — Jimi Hendrix
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12-22-2021, 03:22 PM #843Registered User
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12-22-2021, 03:28 PM #844
^gracias.
Here are a couple of GE images with compass set at due north. There is a significant difference in aspect between what I would've considered safe to ski that day and what slid in Cardiff bowl. We're not just talking about "touches" of difference in apsect here... this "IS" the difference between Northerly and Southerly aspects. Aside from snowpack analysis... "terrain management", and "aspect" are other tools in the bag.
Cardiff bowl
Cardiac
Above pic: everything above black line has a southern aspect/ with south double falline. everything below black line is due east and starts to wrap to the northern end of the compass.
not sure what the activity has been up there over the last few days but black line represents my comfort level until the PWL fully heals or a snowpit analysis before venturing further out into the bowl ...again anything beyond black line and your off the southern aspect to on due east to wrapping Northerly. ...Its quite amazing the different shapes Cardiac bowl takes on depending where your viewing it from
I cant remember ever having to worry about a PWL on any southern aspect, like ever... typically its just new/old snow interface and wind slabs that cause trouble. Maybe some buried surface hoar but even that seems pretty rare for Southern aspects. Am I beating a dead horse? I enjoy the talk here. -peace.
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12-22-2021, 04:10 PM #845
Always remember that these patrollers put thier lives on the line to keep us safe and for Vail to be fucking them out of a couple of bucks makes me sick! I would love to see them (PCSP) walk but wonder how many can afford to walk let alone be Ronnie Reaganed should it go that way. Also what are the chances of Vail replacing that many patrollers quickly let alone the knowledge that many of the older patrollers bring to the table. Look at the knowledge not to mention great stories that Telefreewasatch brings to the table and others . I wish I was out there for this upcoming storm cycle. Getoutside always says to me “I am all about living” a motto that has stuck with me for years. No pow is worth ur life make smart choices get educated. Hope all has a great Christmas
Sorry for side way picalways forward but never straight
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12-22-2021, 04:18 PM #846
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12-22-2021, 05:37 PM #847
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12-22-2021, 05:49 PM #848
I'm down.
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12-22-2021, 05:56 PM #849
Holy smokes have you guys seen this?!?! A MINIMUM of 6 feet in the next week. a chance OF UP TO 12 TWELVE!!* feet!!
If only you could see the graph of Alta COVID cases and parking reservation system bug reports!!
Gonna be one for the ages, y'all!! Yeeeehawwwww!!!!
*edit:12.5 actually
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12-22-2021, 06:06 PM #850Hungover & Homeless
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Hey B...
jk,make some turns for me plz.Last edited by tBatt; 12-22-2021 at 11:06 PM.
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