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10-06-2022, 09:26 AM #2676
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10-06-2022, 10:29 AM #2677
Sure, this is technically true, but it's pretty easy to add a bus stop at lower-canyon THs and not possible with a gondola.
Strawman. SOC, WBCA, etc. opposed the road-widening option and most people are opposed to massive public subsidies for the resorts regardless.
Many people don't ride the bus because they have piles of shit they like/need to bring with them, they tailgate after skiing, etc. None of those people are going to ride the gondola either.
Demonstrably false. Alta's parking reservation system had a very noticeable effect on canyon traffic last winter.
I fail to see how stating UDOT's own stats from the EIS is a false claim.
Technically correct, but another straw man that fails to account for the induced-congestion that is going to happen when Ski Utah plasters the world with ads to come ride the "World's Longest Gondola!"
And before TFW says it, yes, I'm aware that technically it won't be the longest in the world, but Ski Utah is going to make that claim anyway.
So much BS here. The EIS is very clear that the road will be widened to 3 lanes, not four. From a distance an extra lane absolutely will have far less visual impact than the gondola. An extra lane will not affect pollutant loading in the watershed by any significant degree.
The gondola will not "eliminate" or even substantially reduce the public risk when the parking lots will be full every weekend regardless.
This conveniently ignores the fact that the gondola won't run during interlodge or avalanche control, and that the proposed snowsheds alone will reduce road closures for avalanche control by ~80% and nearly eliminate slides hitting the road.
When UDOT makes an official, public statement that the gondola will be, or even may be, upgraded to 3,000 ppl/hr I'll happily change my tune on this. "Just rhetoric," LOL.
Quiet, yes, but hardly silent, and this argument holds little water when it's absolutely not going to replace the red snake.
Oh come on. It will make $4M/yr, really, really? It's only going run 120 days per year (a fact conveniently left out of the letter), you really want me to believe it's going to profit a million dollars per month?
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10-06-2022, 10:30 AM #2678
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10-06-2022, 10:49 AM #2679Merde De Glace On the Freak When Ski
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10-06-2022, 11:23 AM #2680
Anyone in Ogden want to help facilitate a KSL Transaction?
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10-06-2022, 11:26 AM #2681
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10-06-2022, 11:34 AM #2682
Wouldn't it be nice if the Feds paid for a good portion of whatever is done by way of funding through the $1.3trillion Infrastructure Investment & Jobs Act (II&JA)? Does this support an argument for or against the gonjola?
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10-06-2022, 11:42 AM #2683Registered User
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10-06-2022, 12:16 PM #2684Registered User
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Dan the man. You are indeed the man. You say things on a variety of topics much more eloquently and intelligently than I could ever hope to. And you're not the only one. There are a lot of smart cookies on this forum.
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10-06-2022, 12:20 PM #2685User
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Looks like tgapp has this, but I can be backup if needed.
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10-06-2022, 12:51 PM #2686
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10-06-2022, 01:08 PM #2687
Besides the obvious issues at hand (money, politics, snowbird wants olympics) it still baffles me that we don't just:
-have alta and snowbird coordinate parking res and do both the same season to alleviate traffic. this will never happen IMO because it's in snowbird's interest to create gridlock
-actually enforce traction laws, paying someone a real wage to do so all year, every day. push people to the tire sticker system to speed things up, instead of making that worthless. no one even looked at it last year.
-if we really are using taxpayer money build snowsheds on the road at the most prominent paths. keeps road users safe so seems like a reasonable use of UDOT $$$ as opposed to vanity projects
-do a study for a year or two on how this impacts traffic. if things are still not "good enough" start tolling the road. use the tolls to create a privatized bus service for the 2 resorts, or work with UTA to expand public bus service with these funds
At the end of the day it won't even snow below 7k feet in a few years anyhow so the issue will fix itself. Sure it may take an hour to get from grizzly to entry 1 but it would take 10 minutes from there because all the precip will be rain.
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10-06-2022, 01:24 PM #2688Registered User
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I'm not super smart - but isn't the answer (except for TFW's concern) kind of obvious - a Zion Park/Maroon Bells type road closure and parking (like you'd need for a gondi) and a robust bus shuttle?
Take 75% of the vehicles out of both canyons and isn't the problem pretty much solved?
Might take a year or two to adjust to the change, but after that it's biz as usual.
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10-06-2022, 01:28 PM #2689
So, no private vehicles in canyon between 8:00am-5:00pm, and reservations required for private vehicles before 8 and after 5? Businesses and local residents may not take kindly to that. That would certainly change things.
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10-06-2022, 02:24 PM #2690Registered User
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10-06-2022, 03:04 PM #2691
This is the sad brutal truth.
If this is how the gondola was going to work I'd fully support it, but it's not. Even if they bumped the lift capacity up to the hypothetical 3,000+ ppl/hr, the amount of parking proposed (2,500 spaces) is entirely inadequate for a Zion-type solution.
Another thing not mentioned in McCandless' letter is that the ski buses pick people up from as far away as Midvale Station and Sandy Station. With the gondola everyone has to drive to the mouth of the canyon ("All users would drive directly to the base station" https://littlecottonwoodeis.udot.uta..._8-31-2022.pdf).
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10-06-2022, 04:18 PM #2692
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10-06-2022, 05:14 PM #2693
"With the additional parking spaces, there would be no need for mobility hubs at the Gravel Pit or at 9400 South and Highland Drive and the associated bus service once these alternatives become operational."
No mobility hubs in the final EIS.
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10-06-2022, 05:22 PM #2694
It’d be comical if it wasn’t so sad.
As a visiting boulderer I’m pissed about the impact it’ll make.
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10-06-2022, 06:06 PM #2695
Mommy the kids picked on me at school today.
Y'all don't know how tickled I am that the county had a majority against.
Yeah I want me a gondola.
But as Dan has expounded, they got the cart before the horse right now on a LCC gondola. They're not talking about thousands of spaces at the gravel pit or bus service between the two points.
It oughta come outta Summit Co if possible. Seems like that idea could gain a little traction right now?
Seeing how the Olympics want the LCC, and the amenities are in Summit Co, wouldn't a Gondi from where teams will be staying be more attractive? Having it come from PC would be so much less of an eyesore.
And it can pick up the BCC on the way. Such a win.
Bigdude has a pretty good point about Vail's probable problem with this idea.
Btw why do you all seem to think that I'm gonna ride a contraption that I'd have to go the wrong way to access?
It's needed to alleviate the strain on the highway by accommodating Summit Co traffic.
Problem with the Cottonwoods with 2" of snow or more, anymore, is that one shitty driver and or vehicle costs thousands of folks an evening that they might have else wise enjoyed.
Got ten days to comment. Just sayin...Last edited by telefreewasatch; 10-06-2022 at 07:24 PM.
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10-07-2022, 06:08 AM #2696Registered User
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Doesn’t this speak to the fact that they should just try to enforce the existing traction rules?
I usually ride the bus so I’ve only driven one season, 2021, but in 100+ days driving I saw traction laws enforced once. And that was the day they shut it for avy, so they had people there anyway. That’s crazy, and I’m fairly convinced congestion would decrease significantly if they enforced traction laws in BCC.
Enforce for the down too! The number of cars you see having to get pushed or towed out of Eagle lot at Solitude is quite high. That hill is not steep, either, so you can bet your ass those people are going 2mph sliding their way down.
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10-07-2022, 09:04 AM #2697
I'm with TFW on this one.
Maybe I'm just lazy, but I'd take the gondola up if it was clear dry pavement and took longer rather than driving. You just sit there and admire the views, you save money on fuel, gives you time to play with your phone, its a total win IMO. Like taking the bus, but way better, and the benefits rapidly multiply in any sort of weather event.
But based on the spirited debates over parking reservations last year, seems very few people here take the bus.
Outsiders perspective: It seems people are clinging to what LCC and SLC was, and trying to erect barriers to entry in hopes they can hold on to that idyllic image a few years longer.The whole human race is de evolving; it is due to birth control, smart people use birth control, and stupid people keep pooping out more stupid babies.
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10-07-2022, 09:58 AM #2698
I think that it does not make sense for anyone who drives from Summit county to take either a gondola or bus from the mouth of the canyon. People from Summit county must decide whether they want to spend extra time, or more money to get up to Alta or Snowbird. Also, it may involve having a passenger in the vehicle. I'd rather pick up a hitch hiker at the mouth of the canyon than take public transportation.
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10-08-2022, 12:20 AM #2699
Droc posted earlier about a Ullr fest. Did this get any traction?
I have the greenlight to host Friday 11/4 or Saturday 11/5 if that is of interest.
I don't want to speak for the collective but am happy to contribute if there is a consensus.
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10-08-2022, 05:26 AM #2700AF
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