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    Who Makes The Perfect Hardshell Ski Pants?

    We have https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...hell-ski-pants but I am curious about the same thing for hardshells for inbounds use.
    Wants:
    • Hand pocket(s) for keys/wallet (personal preference)
    • Thigh pocket(s) for beacon or other things
    • Good Side vents
    • Not bibs
    • Durable (cuffs, zips, etc).
    • Waterproof but lighter fabric - I don't need the burliest gore-tex ever made.
    • Bright color (personal preference)
    • Not a baggy freeride fit


    I have been using some rab sharp edge pants made with Pertex Shield for the past 4 years that I love but they don't make them anymore and a zipper has finally died.

    Any suggestions?

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    The Mammut Haldigrat is pretty close (they're shown as bibs on the site, but the bib part zips off if it's not your thing). I only have one season of mostly touring in mine so no super long term durability testing but so far so good.

    Edit: the beacon pocket is in the removable bib part though. The main pants just have two hand pockets, but they're big.

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    Dunno if it's "hardshell" enough for you, but the TNF Brigandine pant I think meets most of your criteria. The fabric is kinda "soft" for some people's liking.

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    Black Diamond Mission pants.

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    Pricey but I like arcyeryx sabre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthMarkus View Post
    Dunno if it's "hardshell" enough for you, but the TNF Brigandine pant I think meets most of your criteria. The fabric is kinda "soft" for some people's liking.

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    Did they get lighter? I have the bibs from a few years ago (GoreTex, not the newer Future Light ones) and they're super burly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAB View Post
    Did they get lighter? I have the bibs from a few years ago (GoreTex, not the newer Future Light ones) and they're super burly.
    Futurelight is very different from the old gore tex. Lighter,more supple and breathable but less resistant and waterproof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAB View Post
    The Mammut Haldigrat is pretty close (they're shown as bibs on the site, but the bib part zips off if it's not your thing). I only have one season of mostly touring in mine so no super long term durability testing but so far so good.

    Edit: the beacon pocket is in the removable bib part though. The main pants just have two hand pockets, but they're big.
    How's sizing for the Haldigrat I usually order long for my height but it's never in stock?

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    Fly low

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    Quote Originally Posted by MESH View Post
    How's sizing for the Haldigrat I usually order long for my height but it's never in stock?
    They're on the slim side. Pretty normal length wise.

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    ^^^^recently bought another pair of Flylow Chemicals... so Iíve got some new/never worn Stio Environ Pants I could let go of.....Large/Black. Havenít gotten around to list....

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAB View Post
    They're on the slim side. Pretty normal length wise.
    Thanks, I'll probably order slightly over size and see how it goes.

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    Why not bibs?


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    Quote Originally Posted by nickwm21 View Post
    Why not bibs?


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    I'm a weekend warrior in California who runs hot, so its unfortunately more likely I will be shedding layers and sweating in the sun than dealing with chest deep powder. I find bibs too hot. If I lived somewhere cold and skied the deepest of deep days I am sure I would think differently.

    The Mammut Haldigrat do look pretty much perfect with the option of a bib for cold days if I want it. Time to see if they fit me...

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    I don't think this answer is as cut n dry as in the question "which soft shell touring pant"

    you know, a lotta ins, lotta outs, lotta what-have-you's.

    So something quite water n wind proof, pockets that will carry lunch or a beer are cooler than you think

    but the reality is you are gona be close to heat & shelter at a skihill so it doesnt matter that much

    Also keep i mind that black is a slimming color
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    Nevermind

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    Unless the pocket setup has changed recently, flylow makes several models that will likely fit your criteria, though the thigh/cargo pocket may not be the beacon pocket you are looking for.

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    Best pants I've owned: Flylow Compound. Purchased last year. Their equivalent pant for this year appears to be called the Cage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juanrogera View Post
    Best pants I've owned: Flylow Compound. Purchased last year. Their equivalent pant for this year appears to be called the Cage.
    They still make the compound. Way different than the cage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowaddict91 View Post
    the thigh/cargo pocket may not be the beacon pocket you are looking for.
    Not generally a good idea to put a beacon in that kind of pocket anyway.
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    +1 for arcteryx sabre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTslackcountry View Post
    They still make the compound. Way different than the cage.
    Good to know. Thanks. Apparently I missed them on their website cause a) they're now $500; and b) they added a removable bib: https://flylowgear.com/collections/m...s/compound-bib

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    Iím a fan of the Flylow Magnum BC pants. But I also really like the Chemicals.


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    I've consistently heard great things about the Chemicals and they're on sale at BC (https://www.backcountry.com/flylow-chemical-pant-mens) so I just picked up a pair. Planning to use them at Whistler this season.

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    I've been following this thread because I was looking for new pants and your list of requirements is pretty much exactly like mine.

    I just ordered these Helly Hansen Garibaldi pants. They seem to be some sort of textured fabric, I don't know if I'll like it or not. These HH Infinity looked better, but at $550 it was too much $ for my taste.

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