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09-19-2021, 11:00 AM #1
Career idea, training avy dogs....
So this is something I'd like to get into. I've always been really good with the pups, but I do not want to slave away as a patroller for years. I'd love to somehow just jump ahead to being able to train dogs and save lives. Seems like a great fulfilling meaningful way to spend ones life.
It's not just the slave labor of being a patroller. I feel like saving lives would be great, but even body recovery would be something I could deal with, I think I could just focus on the dog, it seems like someone else would dig the body out. Conversely, most of the people I know who have been working EMTs for a while get a little jaded and weird about human suffering and injury death etc and that's not something I really want to do to myself spiritually.__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________
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09-19-2021, 12:35 PM #2Registered User
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The training of avy dogs is done by their owner/handler/human. It's that relationship and bond that makes them able to be service dogs and a rescue team together.
The amount.of training and constant daily work and comfort with the mountains needed is usually best suited for someone who is on the hill with the dog everyday, ie: patrollers.
My 2c.
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09-19-2021, 12:44 PM #3Registered User
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Agree'd with heckacali. Every avy dog I have watched through training does so with a particular owner/handler.
Plus -- I think you overestimate the number of avy dogs needed. No a viable career path IMHO.
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09-19-2021, 06:24 PM #4Registered User
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Avy dogs are good for PR and keeping overqualified, overachieving patrollers busy and happy. They are incredible at finding bodies in the snow and amazing when they are working, but they don't really save lives. Maybe once a decade or something. Much more body recovery, though that's not very common either frankly. Not at all a career path though, sorry. I've worked with several and would definitely recommend it if you want to ski patrol and have the inclination for working with dogs. Hope you like shoveling snow.
You can make a living training hunting dogs I think.
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09-19-2021, 06:54 PM #5
Maybe train bomb detection dogs, if you're willing to dispose of the bomb when you find it. Neighbor of mine does that, after learning his craft serving in Iraq.
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09-19-2021, 08:56 PM #6
Ahh, yes, I would assume I would also be the dog's handler, not just sell them or something. Should have been more clear. I am getting deja vu and actually realize this is par for the course for me starting threads here, not quite well thought out enough with the wording of how others will take it and later needing to reclarify...
I guess what I meant is aren't there avy dog handlers that aren't ski patrollers anywhere? That sell that service?__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________
"We don't need predator control, we need whiner control. Anyone who complains that "the gummint oughta do sumpin" about the wolves and coyotes should be darted, caged, and released in a more suitable habitat for them, like the middle of Manhattan." - Spats
"I'm constantly doing things I can't do. Thats how I get to do them." - Pablo Picasso
Cisco and his wife are fragile idiots who breed morons.
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09-19-2021, 09:37 PM #7I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.
"Happiest years of my life were earning < $8.00 and hour, collecting unemployment every spring and fall, no car, no debt and no responsibilities. 1984-1990 Park City UT"
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09-19-2021, 09:41 PM #8
I think you would need to be living in the patrol shack for that to work. I have a friend I could put you in touch with that trains dogs for SAR, but it is all volunteer, so not a career path.
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09-20-2021, 02:11 AM #9__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________
"We don't need predator control, we need whiner control. Anyone who complains that "the gummint oughta do sumpin" about the wolves and coyotes should be darted, caged, and released in a more suitable habitat for them, like the middle of Manhattan." - Spats
"I'm constantly doing things I can't do. Thats how I get to do them." - Pablo Picasso
Cisco and his wife are fragile idiots who breed morons.
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09-20-2021, 06:41 AM #10
Kirby your post count says that you've finally landed...
Leroy, pm me if you still live in Utah. Been training avy dog handlers here forty years.
(Note I say handlers; the dogs pretty much know what to do)
All the above things folks have said are true,
however it is a cool skill set to have, especially if one tours with one's dog...Time spent skiing cannot be deducted from one's life.
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09-20-2021, 12:54 PM #11
Like rideit said--if you can manage to train a search dog there might be a local SAR you can join, as a volunteer. Pros are usually law enforcement of some kind.
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09-20-2021, 01:46 PM #12
Re the ideas of training hunting/bomb dogs etc, I mean I like dogs but thats not really the point.
Cool, ya getting involved with SAR as a volunteer could be fulfilling but also heartbreaking and draining.
I just wanted to be the guy the does the dog part and not have to handle the carnage or epic sufferfests. Perhaps my selflessness is a sort of spoiled variety.__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________
"We don't need predator control, we need whiner control. Anyone who complains that "the gummint oughta do sumpin" about the wolves and coyotes should be darted, caged, and released in a more suitable habitat for them, like the middle of Manhattan." - Spats
"I'm constantly doing things I can't do. Thats how I get to do them." - Pablo Picasso
Cisco and his wife are fragile idiots who breed morons.
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09-20-2021, 01:55 PM #13
Career idea, training avy dogs....
My buddy, a former Teton County Sheriff, and his Malinois are certified for cadaver and live search and rescue. It absolutely does not pay the bills, but it’s a really cool retirement job.
He worked on the Petito search this last weekend.Well maybe I'm the faggot America
I'm not a part of a redneck agenda
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09-20-2021, 02:09 PM #14I just wanted to be the guy the does the dog part and not have to handle the carnage or epic sufferfests. Perhaps my selflessness is a sort of spoiled variety.
If you want some more information, this is a good place to get started https://c-rad.org/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpEB0-7H7oE&t=166s
I sounds like perhaps you don't understand the the dog and the handler are a team and train as such. If you aren't around to give praise for a job well done, it is not possible to train the dog.
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09-20-2021, 02:26 PM #15
Join your local SAR group. They’re always looking for young strong backs who can ski properly and aren’t afraid of some blood.
But yeah, the main way to get paid to have an avi dog is…
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Ski patrol 🤷♂️
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09-20-2021, 06:57 PM #16
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09-20-2021, 07:09 PM #17
There has got to be a very small select group of people that are THE experts in training Avy Dogs and they mostly make a living by training the humans that own and train the dog.
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09-20-2021, 07:35 PM #18
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09-25-2021, 04:46 PM #19__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________
"We don't need predator control, we need whiner control. Anyone who complains that "the gummint oughta do sumpin" about the wolves and coyotes should be darted, caged, and released in a more suitable habitat for them, like the middle of Manhattan." - Spats
"I'm constantly doing things I can't do. Thats how I get to do them." - Pablo Picasso
Cisco and his wife are fragile idiots who breed morons.
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09-25-2021, 04:53 PM #20I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.
"Happiest years of my life were earning < $8.00 and hour, collecting unemployment every spring and fall, no car, no debt and no responsibilities. 1984-1990 Park City UT"
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09-26-2021, 08:53 AM #21Registered User
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Most avys do not occur in the controlled terrain of a ski resort so a patroller/avy dog team is not really all that much in demand at ski resorts.
In B.C. it is the RCMP/dog handler that is called out for SAR, or drug sniffing, or apprehending criminals.
So the career path is either thru the RCMP or a business that offers dog obedience training for regular folks as well as RCMP/dog handler training.
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09-26-2021, 05:53 PM #22Meadowskipping old fart
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It isn't correct to say that the all avalanche dogs in BC have RCMP handlers, certainly not the case here in Revelstoke. https://www.wilderdog.com/blogs/week...nd-rescue-team
[edit] CARDA have a listing of 18 volunteer teams in BC and Alberta http://www.carda.ca/pages/about-card...ated-teams.php in addition to the small number of RCMP and two Parks Canada teams http://www.carda.ca/pages/about-carda/relationships.phpLast edited by nickinbc; 09-26-2021 at 06:20 PM.
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09-29-2021, 03:42 PM #23
Upon further reflection I realize I was jsut hoping I could get free room and high fives at a sick heli op if I had a really really good doggy. I guess that isn't the way the world works.
Realistically I am unsurprised, and should have mentioned, side gig was all I was really thinking, hopefully should have a career as a small plane pilot going as my main gig in a year or two. Doing something seasonally to get a ski pass seems likely, and finagling that to avoid and real labor sounds like something I'd try.
Thanks for replies though.__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________
"We don't need predator control, we need whiner control. Anyone who complains that "the gummint oughta do sumpin" about the wolves and coyotes should be darted, caged, and released in a more suitable habitat for them, like the middle of Manhattan." - Spats
"I'm constantly doing things I can't do. Thats how I get to do them." - Pablo Picasso
Cisco and his wife are fragile idiots who breed morons.
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09-29-2021, 05:41 PM #24Registered User
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There’s a huge shortage of pilots.
You’ll be better off building time, than training dogs.
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10-04-2021, 09:09 AM #25
Well yea, that's what will pay the bills and open doors in life. I grew up flying as a kid, it seems like what I was meant to do, but I also like the doggies and seem to speak their language and don't want to waste that either. Perhaps things will fall into place someday. Thanks for the replies.
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"We don't need predator control, we need whiner control. Anyone who complains that "the gummint oughta do sumpin" about the wolves and coyotes should be darted, caged, and released in a more suitable habitat for them, like the middle of Manhattan." - Spats
"I'm constantly doing things I can't do. Thats how I get to do them." - Pablo Picasso
Cisco and his wife are fragile idiots who breed morons.
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