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    Quote Originally Posted by tgapp View Post
    you are right.

    both swiss water process (SWP) and mountain water process (MWP) only use water. because caffeine is water soluble, there aren't any harsh chemicals. SWP and MWP account for like 99% of high quality decafs out there.

    even decafs that use a solvent aren't necessarily bad for you, but i still prefer SWP and MWP.
    It's surprisingly OK too!

    Not sure what the commercial options are, but roasted a lb and it's been fine in the freezer for 6 months now. We'd drink it more often if our backup grinder didn't result in 15sec shot times on the finest setting. 1st world problems though.

    Anyway, yeah... SWP FTW

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    I've been adding 200-250 mg (~1/8 tsp) of L-Theanine powder to coffee for years. There's strong clinical evidence that combining L-theanine with caffeine counteracts caffeine-induced increases in blood pressure. More broadly, it also seems to reduce BP spikes in response to stressful tasks and situations, and promotes relaxation without sedation.

    References:
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17891480/
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3518171/
    https://examine.com/supplements/theanine/

    https://www.bulksupplements.com/products/l-theanine


    Tea has a fraction of the caffeine coffee has, plus naturally occurring theanine (though adding a little more is good, too). A pretty strong cup of matcha is only ~35 mg of caffeine.

    On the alcohol side, I love Busch NA these days. Ever since my 2019 head injury I've had no desire to drink. Plus, I can drink the Busch in the car without worrying about DUI or Open Container.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattig View Post
    Is decaf tea hard to find? Seems like there are so many decaf options, everywhere, all the time. We like mint, tension tamer, and gypsy cold care (you don't have to have a cold, fwiw).
    decaf tea is different than herbal tea. Decaf black tea is still not hard to find, but I do agree with Toadman, it doesn't pack the same flavor as caffeinated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattig View Post
    Swiss water process is theoretically not chemically treated. Haven't studied up on it, so correct me if I'm wrong.

    Is decaf tea hard to find? Seems like there are so many decaf options, everywhere, all the time. We like mint, tension tamer, and gypsy cold care (you don't have to have a cold, fwiw).

    Along the same lines as KQ's points above, I've also read that filtered coffee is less bad for BP than French press, in case you are a French press person.

    Anyway, I'd wager diet and exercise would have a far bigger impact than cutting out caffeine.
    Yup - have read that paper filters remove some of what is considered harmful/not good.

    Gypsy Cold Care FTW! Good stuff that.

    Still can't find the study I read before but finding lots more like this: Habitual coffee consumption and blood pressure: An epidemiological perspective
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    Tea *usually* has less caffeine than coffee - but not dramatically so and sometimes it’s equivalent.


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    MY BP is weird. The Systolic never gets above 140, and that is rare but the diasolic caused a nurse in FL during my COVD test to say , that cant be right and check other arm. still triple digits.
    On meds now and lifestyle changes from doc. Reduce the booze, reduce caffeine, more excersise. used to only get on my bike for big rides when I could spare a few hours, now go out multiple times a week in the AM for short intense 30-40 mins

    Drinking less and exercising more is never a bad thing.


    Diet wasnt bad before, didnt think I ate a lot of salt but then realized my fav snacks were Almonds & Beef jerkey, plus it really is everywhere if you pay attention..


    So the NA beer ( tried a lot of craft brew but all tasted off, Heinken 0% best for me plus 2 roads lil devils. Good IPA at like 2,5 %,90 cals) is more ritual for me. When I am watching a Dodger game I nervous drink beers, now I just swap out the full test after 1 or 2. Same for United matches and Guinness.

    Have some good decaf teas in the house ( Gypsy Cold Care yessir) but need to brew up a cold batch of one. Also eating out hard to find decaf Ice tea, thats more what I meant. Got some Peets Decaf thats OK.
    Ganja & dark Chocolate? check check

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    Higher lower number (diastolic) is somewhat different beast.

    You could speak to a high blood pressure specialist doctor for specific recommendations - especially given your family history.

    Less inflammation is a good goal - which less booze and more exercise will help with. Less sugar intake might help - that is if you want to go full bore and cut out all the fun things in life :P

    JMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodsy View Post

    Have some good decaf teas in the house ( Gypsy Cold Care yessir) but need to brew up a cold batch of one. Also eating out hard to find decaf Ice tea, thats more what I meant. Got some Peets Decaf thats OK.
    Ganja & dark Chocolate? check check
    Just make sure that Ganja isn't smoked.



    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac View Post
    Higher lower number (diastolic) is somewhat different beast.

    You could speak to a high blood pressure specialist doctor for specific recommendations - especially given your family history.

    Less inflammation is a good goal - which less booze and more exercise will help with. Less sugar intake might help - that is if you want to go full bore and cut out all the fun things in life :P

    JMHO
    True dat - people often overlook the diasolic pressure but it's just as important. It's how much pressure your blood is exerting against your artery walls while the heart is resting between beats.
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    I’m not sure decaf reduces blood pressure. I mean look at this Swedish documentary.


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    Been avoiding sugar as much as I can for a while. We dont get a long
    KQ ruining all my fun. Until CT goes full rec legal I take what I can get.

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    YMMV but 12 yars ago I quit all added sugar & honey and cut food portions by 40% cu of type II diabetes

    In 6 months I lost 12-15 lbs going from an over weight BMI to a normal BMI, lost the gut, a1c went down 2 points, good cholestral went up, bad cholestral went down

    IME the more sugar you eat the more you want so just stop using sugar pretty soon you won't miss it

    I can't/ don't eat any sugar now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodsy View Post
    KQ ruining all my fun. Until CT goes full rec legal I take what I can get.

    Awwwwww that's too bad because I had a gummie while I was taking a shower and now my BP is nice and low humming along as sit here making catnip toys. Tension is my biggest enemy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac View Post
    Higher lower number (diastolic) is somewhat different beast.

    You could speak to a high blood pressure specialist doctor for specific recommendations - especially given your family history.

    Less inflammation is a good goal - which less booze and more exercise will help with. Less sugar intake might help - that is if you want to go full bore and cut out all the fun things in life :P

    JMHO
    10 yars ago I stopped all booze for 6 months, ate normal which was already no/ low sugar , a lot of training

    end of 6 months my weight was exactly the same, a1c was half apoint lower

    and everyone at parties was drunk and boring
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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    Awwwwww that's too bad because I had a gummie while I was taking a shower and now my BP is nice and low humming along as sit here making catnip toys. Tension is my biggest enemy.
    careful there D, telling me you ate a gummy and took a shower just raised my BP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodsy View Post
    Until CT goes full rec legal I take what I can get.
    Drive up to MA every couple months and stock up. NY soon too

    Quote Originally Posted by Peruvian View Post
    There are non-alcoholic craft beers around these days that may be worth trying.

    Zero Gravity, here in Burlington, launched Rescue Club Brewing. I’ve also heard Brooklyn Brewing, BrewDog, and Athletic Brewing have n/a offerings.
    Not to get spammy, but my store carries tons of NA craft brews and sells all of the above plus a few others. We ship daily to 27 states ( good alcoholic beers too ). I won’t post it, but pm if you want the site link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodsy View Post
    careful there D, telling me you ate a gummy and took a shower just raised my BP.
    Then I won't tell you that I like to suck on them while I suds up.

    Sour Cherry Pioneer Squares (Craft Elixers) are my favorite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    10 yars ago I stopped all booze for 6 months, ate normal which was already no/ low sugar , a lot of training

    end of 6 months my weight was exactly the same, a1c was half apoint lower

    and everyone at parties was drunk and boring
    It’s not always about weight. Cutting down on sugar and booze could potentially lead to less inflammation. Which could potentially lead to lower diastolic blood pressure. Potentially.

    If you want weight loss (which will lower blood pressure as well) then it gets a lot more complicated - including timing of your meals, fiber content, content of macros in meals etc etc etc etc.

    I’m not at all surprised your weight never changed. That’s exactly what I would expect (no difference in weight) with the changes you mentioned.

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    As far as tea goes, try rooibos. Wonderful flavor and naturally caffeine free. As far as alc goes - I've just cut down and upped other things as others have noted. Mass dispensaries are usually convenient to highways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodsy View Post
    So damn near 50 and for blood pressure reasons needed to end caffine and decrease booze. #olddudeforum
    Many of you know my dad had a serious stroke in his 50s (still cant swallow) so taking this shit seriously.

    Now I used to laugh at folks that drank decaf coffee, whats the point? Well when ever other non caffeine laden beverage is full of sugar what are my choices?

    Decaf tea harder to find. Would love some good suggestions there tho, hot and iced. Please include where to find.

    Still have good beers on occasion but a few and then onto Heineken 0%. Cant drink NAIPAS or similar, to sweet.
    Same watching sports. Couple of Guiness/Modelos depending on the sport to start then onto fake beers.
    Yes also drinking ton of water and soda stream ( with bitter occasionally) but give me a drink to order when out.
    What am I missing (and seriously if its fermented and doesn't contain alcohol keep it to your self)
    Lisinopril and Lipitor. They work, minimal side effects. Significant reduction in risk of heart attack and stroke. Drink coffee and booze in moderation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac View Post
    It’s not always about weight. Cutting down on sugar and booze could potentially lead to less inflammation. Which could potentially lead to lower diastolic blood pressure. Potentially.

    If you want weight loss (which will lower blood pressure as well) then it gets a lot more complicated - including timing of your meals, fiber content, content of macros in meals etc etc etc etc.

    I’m not at all surprised your weight never changed. That’s exactly what I would expect (no difference in weight) with the changes you mentioned.
    well apres diet change/ cutting sugar the weight was already at normal BMI so while I sometimes bounce down but mostly up 3 lbs either way it always returns to that same fasting weight

    Stopping drinking and literaly diving off the wagon with a beer in each hand did nothing to weight

    getting drunk or just drinking was exactly the same as 6 months before so it was not easier to get drunk

    what I did lose was a certain sharpness from being substance free
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    If you decided to cut out caffeine on your own, this thread should have convinced you you don't need to. If your doctor suggested it, go talk to him about it with a print out of this thread and the links. Docs are very impressed by the medical advice on TGR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    If you decided to cut out caffeine on your own, this thread should have convinced you you don't need to. If your doctor suggested it, go talk to him about it with a print out of this thread and the links. Docs are very impressed by the medical advice on TGR.
    Beverage thought about exiting nose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    I like to suck on them while I suds up.
    Call me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    If you decided to cut out caffeine on your own, this thread should have convinced you you don't need to. If your doctor suggested it, go talk to him about it with a print out of this thread and the links. Docs are very impressed by the medical advice on TGR.
    The Mayo clinic's advice to eliminate it and then reintroduce it and see what happens to your BP seemed reasonable to me but hey you're the doc.

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    In the past, I have had acid reflux and I just had my gall bladder removed. 4-5 weeks ago, I quit coffee (I regularly drank 3 double espressos/day) red meat, fried food, cheese, enriched flour, alcohol consumption and chocolate, cold turkey. Of course, I crave each of these things, but it's just not worth it........to be continued.
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