UT/WY Missing Persons Case>WILD

[SumJongGuy]

Well, looks like we've got another very similar situation playing out now..

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybo...h=3949edb75206

[lowsparkco]

It feels like the girl's parents are using lawsuits as a coping mechanism at this point. I tend to agree with the above that it is not like this kid is running around scott free living his best life currently.

Sad situation all around. Both sets of parents are living basically their worst nightmares.

Well said, with fewer words too.

I think is revenge more than anything. They want to punish the parents for the acts of their son. I think it probably stems from not wanting to accept that she was a player in this drama. It takes two to tango as they say. Once again as TBS has said, look at the Moab footage. She was unhinged.

[billyk]

Well, looks like we've got another very similar situation playing out now..

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybo...h=3949edb75206

They located her in Redding. She’s alive.

[SumJongGuy]

They located her in Redding. She’s alive.

Good news!

[PB]

So .... is the guy dead??

[jummo]

Brian's parents didn't look good from the beginning, the revelation of the letter only makes it worse.
Their refusal to communicate with the Petito family , lawyering up instead. Helping Brian getting away after she was found, and now the letter.
It also demonstrates what a horrible human being he was by allowing the letter to be found as it would seem to incriminate his mother further.
Pretty sad all the way around, but I think the Petitos are right to pursue legal action against the Laundries.

[ex-powderbroker]

There is a pervasive victim-blamey narrative that runs through this thread.

When a person ends up murdered and the other drives across the country in her car while using her debit cards, it is not "takes two to tango". The 911 call was because a male was observed striking a female. People may not be reliable witnesses all of the time, but slapping severe enough to involve cops probably deserves the benefit of the doubt. She is complicit in protecting him and it led to her death but there's no need to rewrite history about the facts.

55% of women that are murdered are killed by partners and the cycle of abuse was pretty clear here to at least a few people looking for it that this was abuse certainly enough to move to a more complicated view than "wow, a crazy unhinged bitch".

Some of you might also want to recheck whatever feminist bonafides you think you have if you believe that this is her fault or that given the set of facts, the parents are blameless in that he was able to get away. From the head start to noncompliance to the phone calls en route.

Murdered means gone, life taken, the most serious charge there is, I would guess.

And while this was an apparent murder from the beginning, the same people speculating that "This was likely an accident of some sort" continue to double down on the narrative that she brought this on herself and embarrass themselves to this day.

All I am asking for is for an open mind and investigation into what the parents knew and when they knew it. It seems like there is enough there to justify that. If that is mere "coping" - so be it - but I don't have a problem with the parents trying to get justice for their daughter.

One last time, the word is MURDER.

[Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo]

investigation into what the parents knew and when they knew it. It seems like there is enough there to justify that. If that is mere "coping" - so be it - but I don't have a problem with the parents trying to get justice for their daughter.

That criminal investigation (such as it was) was carried out by the prosecutor and police in Florida and they determined there was not enough evidence to justify charges. This is a civil case and the point of a civil case is not to "investigate" or discover if a crime was committed, it is to award punitive damages. I understand her parents are frustrated that his parents haven't been charged, but their suit is not going to produce new charges or solve a crime, it's going to award them money, period.

[Danno]

That criminal investigation (such as it was) was carried out by the prosecutor and police in Florida and they determined there was not enough evidence to justify charges. This is a civil case and the point of a civil case is not to "investigate" or discover if a crime was committed, it is to award punitive damages. I understand her parents are frustrated that his parents haven't been charged, but their suit is not going to produce new charges or solve a crime, it's going to award them money, period.

Except what they want is for his parents to be punished for their alleged misdeeds. Punitive damages do just that, don't they? It may not be exactly what they want, but it certainly could provide them with some closure.

[Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo]

Except what they want is for his parents to be punished for their alleged misdeeds. Punitive damages do just that, don't they? It may not be exactly what they want, but it certainly could provide them with some closure.

I'm not disputing any of that, nor am arguing that her parents shouldn't be bringing this case if they think it will help bring closure. Ex-powderbroker seems to think this case will open a new criminal investigation and that is why her parents are bringing it, so his parents might be criminally charged or maybe we'll finally get to the bottom of what they knew and when? I, and others, are arguing that her parents have already made up their mind about his parents culpability, and this case is about coping, revenge, punishment, etc.

[Danno]

I'm not disputing any of that, that's actually kind of my point. Ex-powderbroker seems to think this case will open a new criminal investigation and that is why her parents are bringing it, so his parents might be criminally charged or maybe we'll finally get to the bottom of what they knew and when? I, and others, are arguing that her parents have already made up their mind about his parents culpability, and this case is about coping, revenge, punishment, etc.

I see what you're saying, and maybe I am not paying close enough attention to what ex-p has posted. But it seems to me that her parents just want culpability, to hold the parents culpable for their actions. Isn't that what criminal charges are about? And since they can't get it through the criminal justice system, they are trying to get some form of culpability through other means.

I will say that it is possible, if unlikely, that a civil trial could lead to a new criminal investigation. If discovery uncovers new evidence, there is nothing that would prevent reopening the investigation and charges from being brought. But that certainly is unlikely and should not be the focus of a civil suit. Making bad actors pay the price for their bad actions is (or should be) the point of the civil suit.

Again, I haven't paid close attention to the posts in this thread, so maybe I missed something.

[ex-powderbroker]

That criminal investigation (such as it was) was carried out by the prosecutor and police in Florida and they determined there was not enough evidence to justify charges. This is a civil case and the point of a civil case is not to "investigate" or discover if a crime was committed, it is to award punitive damages. I understand her parents are frustrated that his parents haven't been charged, but their suit is not going to produce new charges or solve a crime, it's going to award them money, period.

sure i am fine with all of that. day in court and damages. fuck the laundries.

[lowsparkco]

Fair enough, the point is that Gabby’s family can seek punitive damages. Ultimately what does that look like?

The Laundries didn’t murder Gabby. Their deceased son did. The court is never going to put together exactly what they knew. So, if we speculate the worst case scenario and say Brian immediately told his parents what he did and where he buried the body then they are guilty of prolonging the status quo of the Petitos not knowing if Gabby was alive or not. For a week? Two weeks? What’s that worth? What’s a fair punishment for not ratting out your adult kid that’s clearly under a ton of distress and maybe suicidal?

Victims families want their loved one back and there’s no way to achieve that. By the time the Laundries defend themselves from this suit they’ll probably be broke. Punishment enough?

[TBS]

Agreed, let the Petitos sue for monetary damages, if that’s what it takes for them.

In the meantime:
- Murder is the 3rd leading cause of death for Indigenous Women
- More than 4 out of 5 Indigenous Women have experienced violence
- More than half Indigenous Women experience sexual violence (56.1%).
- Indigenous Women are twice as likely to be raped than Anglo-American white women.
- Murder rate of Indigenous Women is 3x higher than Anglo-American women.

More than half of these crimes are committed by non-indigenous people on tribal land.

https://mmiwusa.org/

https://www.nativewomenswilderness.org/mmiw

[teleee]

Well said, with fewer words too.

I think is revenge more than anything. They want to punish the parents for the acts of their son. I think it probably stems from not wanting to accept that she was a player in this drama. It takes two to tango as they say. Once again as TBS has said, look at the Moab footage. She was unhinged.

So she deserved to die because she was unhinged? You my friend are a fucking douchebag.


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[old goat]

I am going to take a break from this thread rather than put up with any more delusional statements, victim blaming, and speculation that have been present from the beginning.

So what you are saying is--you can't stand to hear anyone disagree with you.

[ex-powderbroker]

So what you are saying is--you can't stand to hear anyone disagree with you.

More like it's a shame when people have loud and stupid opinions but skiing is a better way to spend my time than arguing on the internet with dicks. YMMV.
Or, maybe not mileage in your case if it's time for an elderly drivers license renewal.

[Danno]

Anything domestic violence related seems to bring out the myopic asshole in people who otherwise seem to be decent humans.

[lowsparkco]

So she deserved to die because she was unhinged? You my friend are a fucking douchebag.


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No one said she deserved to die.

It’s been a long time ago, but at some point I watched a lot of the footage. She was having these long drawn out conversations with him about how she wasn’t happy and wanted to leave him. He would then convince her it was just depression not how she really felt. Rinse repeat.

It’s a tragic situation, as most domestic violence cases are. I just don’t see how his parents are responsible and hers aren’t. Two adults engage in a toxic relationship that ends in murder suicide. But, it’s one parents’ fault. Maybe I’m a douchebag, I just don’t see it.

[old goat]

Some of you might also want to recheck whatever feminist bonafides you think you have if you believe that this is her fault or that given the set of facts, the parents are blameless in that he was able to get away. .

More like it's a shame when people have loud and stupid opinions but skiing is a better way to spend my time than arguing on the internet with dicks. YMMV.
Or, maybe not mileage in your case if it's time for an elderly drivers license renewal.

Do you see any incongruity between your "feminist bonafides" and your ageism?

[Danno]

It’s a tragic situation, as most domestic violence cases are. I just don’t see how his parents are responsible and hers aren’t. Two adults engage in a toxic relationship that ends in murder suicide. But, it’s one parents’ fault. Maybe I’m a douchebag, I just don’t see it.

It's not their fault (as far as we know) that their son committed murder. But if they aided him in the commission of or cover up of the murder, that is something for which they should be held accountable. How is that so hard to see? And the simple fact that the DA chose not to prosecute doesn't mean that they should not be held accountable if there is a means to hold them accountable (again, assuming that a jury believes the "if" in the second sentence).

[mcphee]

It’s a tragic situation, as most domestic violence cases are. I just don’t see how his parents are responsible and hers aren’t. Two adults engage in a toxic relationship that ends in murder suicide. But, it’s one parents’ fault.

PLEASE elaborate on this Olympic level performance of mental gymnastics. I’m fascinated by your thought process.

[lowsparkco]

It's not their fault (as far as we know) that their son committed murder. But if they aided him in the commission of or cover up of the murder, that is something for which they should be held accountable. How is that so hard to see? And the simple fact that the DA chose not to prosecute doesn't mean that they should not be held accountable if there is a means to hold them accountable (again, assuming that a jury believes the "if" in the second sentence).

The suit alleges aiding and abetting in essence. But, we don’t know that they knew he was a suspect or if he did it or not. I’m not saying that it’s impossible that they knew he did it, or attempted to help him escape. But, we get back to the fact that the DA didn’t find enough evidence to file charges.

[lowsparkco]

PLEASE elaborate on this Olympic level performance of mental gymnastics. I’m fascinated by your thought process.

My Olympic level thought gymnastics is that this is the opinion of the Petitos. I think they’re trying to hold the Laundries responsible for the murder of their daughter.

As I wrote earlier, worst case scenario, the Laundries knew Brian murdered Gabby and knew exactly where he buried her, I just don’t see a jury finding that hugely punishable. It’s hard to sell a “what if” - which is pertinent. What if the authorities never found the body.

[mcphee]

I just don’t see how his parents are responsible and hers aren’t. Two adults engage in a toxic relationship that ends in murder suicide. But, it’s one parents’ fault.

Now walk us through the other half of your floor routine here.

How are the Petito’s responsible for their daughters murder?