Mysterious death of entire family while hiking

**mcski** · 08-23-2021, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Dantheman

"Although temperatures reached as high as 109 degrees the day the family hiked, dehydration was deemed unlikely because there was still water in the family’s hydration pack, the Chronicle reported."

This is a weird statement. Not being out of water does not rule out heat stroke, not by a long shot. 109* F, wow, forget the algae and mines, these are probably heat stroke deaths.

Meh, they were young. We used to play basketball regularly in temps like that as kids. And all of them drop without any attempt at self rescue? and the dog doesn’t run off for water? That would be some straight up hachiko shit

**Dantheman** · 08-23-2021, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by mcski

Meh, they were young. We used to play basketball regularly in temps like that as kids. And all of them drop without any attempt at self rescue? and the dog doesn’t run off for water? That would be some straight up hachiko shit

We have no idea how well acclimated they were to those temperatures. 109 is genuinely dangerous for almost anyone, especially at mid-day. Confusion and delirium are classic symptoms and failure to self-rescue would not be surprising at all. An attempt at self-rescue could explain why he was in the truck with the kid and dog--she may have collapsed, so he took the kid and dog to truck to try and get help, but was too out of it to get it started. As to the dog, if I died suddenly I'm pretty sure my dog would lay right next to me until he died of exposure.

**mcski** · 08-23-2021, 12:51 PM

Not buying heat related without any form of note or indication (at least not mentioned in press) being left behind. My uncle got stuck on a dirt road w his wife in similar heat. He was in his 70s. He ended up dying and she was in icu for a week, but they wrote notes and it was clear from the scene heat was a factor. The authorities here would have lead w that as a headline if they felt it even likely the case in this situation. Also, it’s not a sudden death

**GiBo** · 08-23-2021, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Dantheman

We have no idea how well acclimated they were to those temperatures. 109 is genuinely dangerous for almost anyone, especially at mid-day. Confusion and delirium are classic symptoms and failure to self-rescue would not be surprising at all. An attempt at self-rescue could explain why he was in the truck with the kid and dog--she may have collapsed, so he took the kid and dog to truck to try and get help, but was too out of it to get it started. As to the dog, if I died suddenly I'm pretty sure my dog would lay right next to me until he died of exposure.

They weren't in the truck. All of them were 1.5 miles from the truck. Dad seated with kid. Dog next to them. Mom a short distance up a hill.

The river follows the entire trail. Plenty of place to cool down. Just seems unlikely that 3 people and a dog die from heat with a river right next to them.

**Meathelmet** · 08-23-2021, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Dantheman

Not necessarily. Poisoning by all off them exists on a spectrum and is not a binary dead immediately/not dead situation, particularly for CO poisoning and/or in combination with heat stress. FWIW, I find the cyanotoxin hypothesis most probable.

True that, def. not binary proposition. Yet, exposure in closed spaces might provide one opportunity to move outside (to clear air) within a narrow timeframe...if the exposure concentration is low(ish) and the individual is aware of the potential dangers (worker in hazardous environment, for example). With higher exposures all aforementioned substances are debilitating, quickly. Hell, have friends that have experienced nitrogen poisoning and all told the same thing: Reasoning went out of the window, instantly. They were alive, but totally incapacitated//useless.

I have hard time to believe that un-expecting civilians could cope with a sudden, utterly unpredictable event and act in any meaningful manner. If (and if) this would have been a larger natural venting event that would have exposed them in a valley, their chances would have been basically nil.

But alas, my ramblings are Monday evening quartebacking at its best..

**nickwm21** · 08-23-2021, 01:12 PM

Environmental…

The Shiba is going to just sit there and die with its human. They are loyal to a fault…

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**Timberridge** · 08-23-2021, 01:16 PM

Lassie would have gone off to find help.

**JimmyCarter** · 08-23-2021, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by mcski

Also, the dude worked for Snapchat. Maybe Lucifer didn’t want to wait

I heard that through his work at Snapchat he found a bunch of videos connecting Fauci, Jeffrey Epstein and Kamala Harris to an underground kiddie porn ring so Hillary Clinton had to kill him and the rest of the family. /Q

**east or bust** · 08-23-2021, 01:20 PM

Yea, it seems extremely unlikely they all dropped from heat stroke like that.

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**Dantheman** · 08-23-2021, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by GiBo

They weren't in the truck. All of them were 1.5 miles from the truck. Dad seated with kid. Dog next to them. Mom a short distance up a hill.

Ah, I misread that, thanks. Still, it was 109*, heat stroke seems at least as likely as a murder-suicide so well-planned and executed that it leaves no obvious traces. This is America, people usually just shoot each other. Poisonings are usually not as quick and neat as movies make them look.

Originally Posted by Meathelmet

True that, def. not binary proposition. Yet, exposure in closed spaces might provide one opportunity to move outside (to clear air) within a narrow timeframe...if the exposure concentration is low(ish) and the individual is aware of the potential dangers (worker in hazardous environment, for example). With higher exposures all aforementioned substances are debilitating, quickly. Hell, have friends that have experienced nitrogen poisoning and all told the same thing: Reasoning went out of the window, instantly. They were alive, but totally incapacitated//useless.

I have hard time to believe that un-expecting civilians could cope with a sudden, utterly unpredictable event and act in any meaningful manner. If (and if) this would have been a larger natural venting event that would have exposed them in a valley, their chances would have been basically nil.

But alas, my ramblings are Monday evening quartebacking at its best..

All good points. However, CO poising can occur at pretty low levels, and doesn't stop when you leave the source. People can live with low-level chronic CO poisoning for a long time. Interestingly, the symptoms of low-level chronic CO poisoning are visual and auditory hallucinations that almost exactly mirror most "haunted house" experiences: https://www.thisamericanlife.org/319/transcript

**MagnificentUnicorn** · 08-23-2021, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by nickwm21

Environmental…

The Shiba is going to just sit there and die with its human. They are loyal to a fault…

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Huh? All the shibas that I’ve been around don’t seem to care about anything

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**Mazderati** · 08-23-2021, 01:45 PM

Where was Bill Gates?

**AK47bp** · 08-23-2021, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn

Huh? All the shibas that I’ve been around don’t seem to care about anything

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They have some Akita traits including loyalty to one person but 99.9% of them are no Hachiko’s and would likely go sniff around or lay in the shade if hot.

If it’s a Shiba it was likely leashed to the owner (does the report say?) because they do what the hell they want and will wonder.

Zero fucks given when I tell him “off the couch!”

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**Benny Profane** · 08-23-2021, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn

Huh? All the shibas that I’ve been around don’t seem to care about anything

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Except licking their balls anytime they want to.

**Timberridge** · 08-23-2021, 02:02 PM

Always keep the undercarriage clean, Benny.

**bagtagley** · 08-23-2021, 02:52 PM

Benny’s envy knows no bounds.

PB · 08-23-2021, 02:54 PM

Wife and I are all in for murder-suicide, with hubby being the murderer. Check out the exact positions they were found in; wife realized something was wrong too late, husband new exactly what was happening.

**stealurface831** · 08-23-2021, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by PB

Wife and I are all in for murder-suicide, with hubby being the murderer. Check out the exact positions they were found in; wife realized something was wrong too late, husband new exactly what was happening.

100% agreement. wonder what he used though. toxicology reports should be interesting.

**east or bust** · 08-23-2021, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn

Huh? All the shibas that I’ve been around don’t seem to care about anything

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**JimmyCarter** · 08-23-2021, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by stealurface831

100% agreement. wonder what he used though. toxicology reports should be interesting.

From the looks of him, it was probably some exotic beard oil

**irul&ublo** · 08-23-2021, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by AK47bp

This is weird.

The dog too. Had to be something environmental.

Or Aliens.

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Can anyone account for the whereabouts of digitaldeath during this time period?

**stealurface831** · 08-23-2021, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by irul&ublo

Can anyone account for the whereabouts of digitaldeath during this time period?

is he a free man now?

**mfcf13** · 08-23-2021, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by PB

Wife and I are all in for murder-suicide, with hubby being the murderer. Check out the exact positions they were found in; wife realized something was wrong too late, husband new exactly what was happening.

The start of your post is worded very oddly.

I'm glad I read beyond that first comma.

**MagnificentUnicorn** · 08-23-2021, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by AK47bp

They have some Akita traits including loyalty to one person but 99.9% of them are no Hachiko’s and would likely go sniff around or lay in the shade if hot.

If it’s a Shiba it was likely leashed to the owner (does the report say?) because they do what the hell they want and will wonder.

Zero fucks given when I tell him “off the couch!”

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This mirrors my experience

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**GiBo** · 08-23-2021, 03:59 PM

That apple news article saying it was up to 109 that day didn't ring true to me. I live in the general region and if it was 109 up there, it would have been 115 plus where I live and we haven't had a heat wave like that recently. I looked it up and it was a high of 94 in Briceburg that day, which is down the hill a few miles and about 500ft lower. So I'm thinking no way on the heat. I'd bet it wasn't over 90 in that canyon. Not sure what AN was looking at.