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    Iíll add a question. How realistic is it to tour without a guide? For example, how complex is the terrain (avy wise), and what is route finding like? I can imagine that a storm or cloud moving in would make things somewhat hairball with all of the above tree line terrain without knowledge of the area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgapp View Post
    seriously thinking about this trip, and i was wondering if someone could help me with a few additional details -
    2. how much intermediate terrain is there? is this only for The Best Skiers on the Mountain?
    Curious what terrain/routes you have skied and are comfortable on on the Wasatch? What have you skied in the Wasatch that you were maybe slightly uncomfortable on? Itís possible you are underestimating your ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zion zig zag View Post
    Curious what terrain/routes you have skied and are comfortable on on the Wasatch? What have you skied in the Wasatch that you were maybe slightly uncomfortable on? Itís possible you are underestimating your ability.
    great question.

    things i was totally comfortable/chill with
    - tanners
    - suicide
    - argenta
    - east face of raymond
    - 9776
    - benson and hedges/hallway
    - lake chute
    - rock & roll

    things i was slightly uncomfortable with:
    - s ridge of superior (in absolute shit hard bullet proof ice, if it was good snow i would have been fine)
    - northwest couloir on nebo (only the corniced entrance, nothing else was hard)
    - little pine

    god i feel like a noob typing that out. but it's the truth.

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    There's tons of terrain that isn't you fall you die. It's fucking awesome. Go.

    Re:guide -- ideal for big objectives or if you're in glaciated terrain. Guides are also way less expensive over there. But there is sooo much good skiing that you can get eyes on and evaluate before committing that you can ski without a guide as long as you've got a solid partner or two and know how to navigate avy terrain.

    Sort of on that topic: if you're coming from CO/Utah/Mt and are used to continental snowpacks it can be hard to adjust your risk meter to take advantage. My guide at dinner on the first day of the Urner had to have a talk with me that this is his snowpack and I just needed to chill because we're not in fucking CO anymore and a DPS was extremely unlikely.

    My wife just took a job with a big pay increase...trying to figure out how I leverage that to be gone for another 10 days for this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zion zig zag View Post
    I’ll add a question. How realistic is it to tour without a guide? For example, how complex is the terrain (avy wise), and what is route finding like? I can imagine that a storm or cloud moving in would make things somewhat hairball with all of the above tree line terrain without knowledge of the area.
    I've done it a lot. I understand that assertion breaks in a number of different ways. Really, lots of people tour, and some routes actually have flag markers.
    Of course it's all conditions dependent, but with stable snow and good visibility, you can't really exhaust the options in a lifetime.

    The Gemsstock alone has incredible tours/traverses that can be done with a modicum of common sense. Look up the Giraffe, Guspis, Hans Im Glugg, Maigels Hutte.
    https://www.outdooractive.com/en/ski...matt/11450990/

    moar mapz: https://map.geo.admin.ch/?topic=ech&...5272.50&zoom=5

    I'd be up for chipping in on a guided day with Dan Loutrel. He's an expat and an awesome k00k ski fiend.

    In years past, vendul and his buddies have acted as guides for us around the SkiArena as well as St. Moritz for free. If we can fill the hotel, vendul will have more time to join us.

    Also, for those that haven't yet, chip in a few bucks to sponsor a mag on a trip of a lifetime: https://www.gofundme.com/f/stoke-dreams
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    Quote Originally Posted by tgapp View Post
    great question.

    things i was totally comfortable/chill with
    - tanners
    - suicide
    - argenta
    - east face of raymond
    - 9776
    - benson and hedges/hallway
    - lake chute
    - rock & roll

    things i was slightly uncomfortable with:
    - s ridge of superior (in absolute shit hard bullet proof ice, if it was good snow i would have been fine)
    - northwest couloir on nebo (only the corniced entrance, nothing else was hard)
    - little pine

    god i feel like a noob typing that out. but it's the truth.
    given that list i'd imagine you'll be more than ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by criscam View Post
    given that list i'd imagine you'll be more than ok.
    Agreed. Iíd say you ski at an above intermediate level unless you are nervously wedging down all of those lines

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    I probably wouldn't go on this trip just to ski groomers, but if you ski off-piste black/double black terrain anywhere in Western NA you'll have an absolute blast. There's a spectrum of charginess of folks who showed up and all had a blast. Not everyone is just full on raging.

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    Honestly even if you did just ski groomers you could have a lot of fun. Take advantage of the train and ski in one direction all day, then ride the bar car home. It might not be worthy of a week, but I could see doing a zoomer cruiser visit to andermatt.

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    ^ A good segue for this reminder, speaking of groomers:

    In Europe, anywhere off piste is uncontrolled and unpatrolled. Like, call the the rescue chopper if you get into trouble 300 meters off the groomer.

    Get a membership to REGA

    https://www.rega.ch/en/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norseman View Post
    ^ A good segue for this reminder, speaking of groomers:

    In Europe, anywhere off piste is uncontrolled and unpatrolled. Like, call the the rescue chopper if you get into trouble 300 meters off the groomer.

    Get a membership to REGA

    https://www.rega.ch/en/
    Brilliant!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgapp View Post
    great question.

    things i was totally comfortable/chill with
    - tanners
    - suicide
    - argenta
    - east face of raymond
    - 9776
    - benson and hedges/hallway
    - lake chute
    - rock & roll

    things i was slightly uncomfortable with:
    - s ridge of superior (in absolute shit hard bullet proof ice, if it was good snow i would have been fine)
    - northwest couloir on nebo (only the corniced entrance, nothing else was hard)
    - little pine

    god i feel like a noob typing that out. but it's the truth.
    I haven't skied in this particular region, but many other places in the Alps. I wouldn't worry too much. Anybody can have fun in the Alps.

    Heck, even people who can't ski, ski there! 😁 😎

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    Quote Originally Posted by zion zig zag View Post
    I’ll add a question. How realistic is it to tour without a guide? For example, how complex is the terrain (avy wise), and what is route finding like? I can imagine that a storm or cloud moving in would make things somewhat hairball with all of the above tree line terrain without knowledge of the area.
    I forgot to mention the train access to Oberalppass, Realp and East through the tunnel to Goms.

    Howa about some more donations: https://www.gofundme.com/f/stoke-dreams
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post

    Howa about some more donations: https://www.gofundme.com/f/stoke-dreams
    Done.

    Iíve been the recipient of an inaugural Gordy camp, and in a round about way, fully paid for AK heli trip because of the TGR. So itís the least I can do.

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    Skied Andermatt (Gemstock) many years back but would love to go back with some local knowledge and looks like thereís a ton of additional stuff over the Oberalp pass. Would be up for coming over from Vevey/Montreux way for the weekend of 5th or 13th March if thereís space at the hotel and some mags up for exploring. Will have space in the car and some extra (touring) rigs if that can help someone out

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    ^That would be great. I think I'll get to Rueras around the 8th or 9th and stay through the 15th.

    Here's the spooky upper Giraffe entrance:

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    Quote Originally Posted by abraham View Post
    Honestly even if you did just ski groomers you could have a lot of fun. Take advantage of the train and ski in one direction all day, then ride the bar car home. It might not be worthy of a week, but I could see doing a zoomer cruiser visit to andermatt.
    most fun day I had in 2019 was skiing St. Mo with Mrs. Mike, Mrs. LWS, Vendul and Mrs. Vendul. All 3 of the women were intermediates with no interest in pushing it that day. We had a great time--here for coffee midmorning, there for a tasty lunch and glass of wine at 1 and over there for a beer at 4 (after about a 5 mile, 5,000 vertical cruise to the bar, then the rest of the way down the mountain.

    If looking for cruisy skiing, I'd rather do it with the views, expanse (ski 20 miles away in a day and back is cool), food, etc. in the Alps than somewhere in the Rockies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgapp View Post
    seriously thinking about this trip, and i was wondering if someone could help me with a few additional details -

    1. beyond airfare and $95/night, how expensive is everything else? what's a lift ticket or a pack of tickets cost? what's an average meal cost? trying to figure out if i can afford this right now
    2. how much intermediate terrain is there? is this only for The Best Skiers on the Mountain?
    3. how much touring is there?
    keep in mind that Vendul's place, like many in Euro includes breakfast and dinner in price. Food is great too--you are not at the Hampton Inn breakfast bar. So, the only meal you have to add on is lunch, which is priced more reasonably than in the US. You can have a very good meal for $10-20. So, you basically have your bar tab and lunch on top of the expenses you are already considering, and just thought to add ground transport. If you just go Zurich to Vendul's and back, probably less than $100. Local trains will be covered by your ski pass.

    In summary, after you get past the airfare, skiing in Europe can definitely be done cheaper than any destination resort in the U.S. If you want to stay in Courcheval and drink champagne with oligarchs, you can spend a lot of money skiing in Europe. If you are thoughtful about it at all, it's significantly less than a ski holiday here. There is less of an "on slope" premium for everything in Europe, including food, booze, rooms and transportation.

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    Discount Andermatt-Disentis SkiArena lift tickets.
    https://www.andermatt-sedrun-disenti...edrun-disentis

    With a 25% savings, it's currently $264 ($213 for seniors, I think over 62, but not sure) for a 6 day ticket to the SkiArena between March 9 and 15 , 20 miles across of lifts, including the train which traverses the entire zone.

    This is an early season price.

    That's $44/day for access to one of the largest interconnected ski areas in the world. They get a LOT of snow.

    I'm researching other options like the SkiCard, but haven't been able to find a price.
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    Prices may have gone up a bit -- but I did my 10 day trip, including airfare, 3 days off lifts, the Urner Haute route ($1200 base + $100 tip), eating and drinking well for under 3k.

    If you go tgapp remind me to give you my leftover Swiss francs when we're in BC. It'll cover a round of drinks for folks at Venduls.

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    Were the cards issued last year like the one in 2020? Those were better deal than buying multi day pass

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    Quote Originally Posted by cat in january View Post
    Were the cards issued last year like the one in 2020? Those were better deal than buying multi day pass
    Yup they were. ( you mean the 50% day Ticket things?)
    It's a war of the mind and we're armed to the teeth.

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    Yes that one. Lots of ticket practices changed in states with Covid. Guessing not announced yet but good it went last year

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    Quote Originally Posted by cat in january View Post
    Were the cards issued last year like the one in 2020? Those were better deal than buying multi day pass
    Here's the half price pass link: https://www.andermatt-sedrun-disenti.../halbpreis-abo .
    It's 50CHF and gets the purchaser 50% off. I'm not sure what a full price day ticket is but I think it's $60-$90.

    (edit) according to our sagacious subtle plague, the variable pricing worst case scenario are a rack of bluebird pow days at $90/each.
    That makes the 25% off flat rate better if it's max price every day.

    But that's unlikely.

    Since I suck at probability, I'm just going to guess that the half price card is a better deal unless it's all time conditions for which one will have to pay $45/day + a one time $53.50.

    So with the half price card and perfect days at max price, the max cost is $53.50 + x*45 which is about $280 for x= 5 days of skiing max, likely is more like $53.50 + $35*x which is about $220 for 5 days.
    With the 25% off prepurchase at a fixed price, that's about $220.

    So for budgeting purposes, it will be less than $300 for 5 days of lift served skiing across the entire SkiArena. I hope we do another day at St. Moritz or Lenzerheide, which will add another $70.

    (end edit)

    Remember, 210 from Sandy to Alta is 6 miles.
    From Hospental to Disentis, the skiable area is over 20 miles across with vertical drop 1700 (5500 feet) meters at Disentis and 1500+ meters (4900+ feet) at Andermatt.
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    Since they changed to variable prices every bluebird pow day equals 84 chf. So the 50% thing is important.
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