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Thread: New Burro Pass Route in ‘2023!
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06-17-2021, 08:33 AM #51
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06-17-2021, 08:46 AM #52
The rate and intensity of fires we have today can't be normal or I don't see it as. The argument that it would happen anyway or lightning could spark em just doesn't fly for me. It's ok if it were lightning imho but campfires? Nah, that's bullshit. Lightning is often accompanied by rain and even dry lightning is often the start of the summer Monsoon season which generally is followed by rain. It seems like it all works and has a function. This shit is more catastrophic and on the regular.
There's just too many people and WAY too many stupid people.
This makes me sad but for the most part I stopped going to Moab years ago. It's too much of a zoo now. Same thing is happening to Sedona now. Heck, most of my days off aren't even on a bike or at trails that tend to draw crowds. I'm becoming more and more attracted to desert and mountain wandering in more overlooked areas. I don't care how rad a place is, if there's that many other people there I won't be having fun anyways.dirtbag, not a dentist
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06-17-2021, 09:27 AM #53Registered User
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The rate and intensity have changed, but it's not a direct-people impact; it's more indirect, climate-change related. Land on Fire (https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/...?ie=UTF8&psc=1) does a decent job looking at a lot of the factors involved, but one of the key takeaways (IMO) was that fire seasons have been getting longer and hotter throughout the west in recent history. IIRC, the starts from dumb human tricks versus natural causes (lightning) were less significant than weather patterns and the legacy of over-suppression throughout the past century.
I'd strongly recommend the book if you actually want to dig into some of the issues.
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06-17-2021, 09:47 AM #54
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06-17-2021, 11:25 AM #55
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06-17-2021, 10:14 PM #56
Any of you ride the moonlight meadows route?
I never did.Forum Cross Pollinator, gratuitously strident
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06-17-2021, 11:58 PM #57
I did years ago. Think I started at Warner Lake, down Oowah, down something else, up some road, up Moonlight, up and over Burro, back to Warner. Finished with some fishing and trout for dinner. Good ride for when its cooking down in Moab. Moonlight was alright. A bit of nice trail in the trees and a bit of steep rutted cattle fucked trail through meadows, if I recall.
Also did a ride on that same trip across Squaw Spring Tr then looping around South Mountain and back. That was a burly ride.
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06-18-2021, 06:20 AM #58
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06-18-2021, 07:50 AM #59Registered User
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My plan this year was to go to Moab in July or August and just stay up high camping for a weekend putzing around the high elevation singletrack and camping with the family. I drove all around last year, mainly all around MT Tuk, scouting for camp spots, went for a short hike, and checked out trailhead access and all that. Welp, maybe next year!
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06-18-2021, 08:55 AM #60
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06-18-2021, 09:03 AM #61
Hmmm... I like shuttles.
https://www.trailforks.com/route/fro...a-alternative/
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06-19-2021, 07:59 AM #62yelgatgab
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06-19-2021, 08:57 AM #63
I'd be good with mostly requiring camping in designated sites, if they are free and the USFS build 20x what currently exists. If they don't, it will become nearly impossible to camp. It's already very difficult in most places to get a site in a designated campground...
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06-19-2021, 09:24 AM #64
yeah it’s a huge nightmare right now just trying to get a reservation or find a walk-in at anyplace even remotely popular or convenient. and I’m guessing the people leaving unattended campfires are the last ones to be deterred by some additional layer of regulation. and enforcement is a pipe dream. the knee-jerk is understandable, but I’m very skeptical that this gets magically fixed with camping prohibitions.
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06-19-2021, 10:39 AM #65
Camping isn't the problem. Some campers bring problems that could be addressed through education and specific (not to say nuanced) regulations.
But regulating the right to close your eyes on public land does have the distinct advantage of being passive aggressive and feeling punitive while widening the lanes for laziness. Those are pretty important these days.
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06-19-2021, 02:01 PM #66
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06-19-2021, 05:35 PM #67
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06-19-2021, 06:34 PM #68
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06-20-2021, 10:25 AM #69
That is still another language, Jono.
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06-20-2021, 07:15 PM #70Registered User
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When the USFS can't find enough funding to empty pit toilets often enough and instead has to close them because the shitter's full, finding enough funding to have the personnel necessary to effectively enforce dispersed camping regulations seems like a pipe dream
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06-20-2021, 07:24 PM #71
not to mention all the dispersed camping (in southern utah anyway) which is on BLM land and not under the jurisdiction of the USFS
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06-22-2021, 10:21 AM #72
It looks like the whole enchilada route has been sparred to date, with most of the fire activity to the southern edge now. I don't have the internet skills to show the current fire map. But still basically as outlined above with the fire coming possible to the trail at the pass.
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06-22-2021, 11:08 AM #73Registered User
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Damn, I was looking for a good excuse to not have to climb burro again.
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06-22-2021, 11:30 AM #74
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06-22-2021, 01:15 PM #75Registered User
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