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**bagtagley** · 05-24-2021, 01:22 PM

If I never have to maintain an at-home redundancy and backup setup again, it'll be too soon. Cloud FTMFW.

**skaredshtles** · 05-24-2021, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by riser3

I have massive anecdotes to the contrary. We replace a lot of redundant disks AND have the need for all levels of restore for all kinds of reasons on a frequent basis. Plus periodic disaster recovery exercises at the recovery site.

Yeah - I'm the backup guy at our company... fortunately, our mgmt does not see it as a waste of time/$$.

And you're right - redundancy and backup are two *completely* different things. Don't get me started on the difference between archive and backup.

**skaredshtles** · 05-24-2021, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by bagtagley

If I never have to maintain an at-home redundancy and backup setup again, it'll be too soon. Cloud FTMFW.

Yeah - I'm patiently waiting until the day I can get reasonable upload speeds so I can make proper use of the Cloud...

**XXX-er** · 05-24-2021, 02:02 PM

well you do wana practise being nurturing/sounding sorry when you tell the end loser their drive is fucked

**adrenalated** · 05-24-2021, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by skaredshtles

Yeah - I'm patiently waiting until the day I can get reasonable upload speeds so I can make proper use of the Cloud...

It's called fiber and it's wonderful. Move outta the sticks, fellas.

**skaredshtles** · 05-24-2021, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by adrenalated

It's called fiber and it's wonderful. Move outta the sticks, fellas.

Fuck off ya smug bastard. I'm in the middle of the goddam suburbs and FSM only knows when we'll be able to get fiber to the house.

**jmedslc** · 05-24-2021, 02:45 PM

Not in “the sticks” but definitely not in the City. Yikes.

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**Skidog** · 05-24-2021, 04:55 PM

I'd go commodore 64

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**highangle** · 05-24-2021, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by skaredshtles

Ahhh... the old "backups are a waste of time and $$ discussion."

That would be off topic in an electronic media thread...

Just deleted a bunch of on-site backups of off-site backups this morning. Feelin' cute. May backup the recently unbackedup backups later. I'll get back with you when I'm back.

**::: :::** · 05-24-2021, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by skaredshtles

Yeah - I'm the backup guy at our company... fortunately, our mgmt does not see it as a waste of time/$$.

And you're right - redundancy and backup are two *completely* different things. Don't get me started on the difference between archive and backup.

too many terms up above, plz clarify
file server:: current files in use
archive:: old files, but stored on server? or ripped DVDs in the cellar?
redundant copy:: RAID disk mirror?
backup:: off site storage like cloud?

**highangle** · 05-24-2021, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by jmedslc

Not in “the sticks” but definitely not in the City. Yikes.

https://www.starlink.com/

**RShea** · 05-24-2021, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by highangle

Over the last 20 or so years building a professional technical organization, I've replaced a bunch of failed disks, but I don't recall ever having to, perforce, reinstall from the [block-level encrypted] backups we spend so much to make and maintain. Drive redundancy for the win.

Yes, well I had a Server running Raid 10 a bit over a year ago (4 drives of course) and they were enterprise drives, not the super cheap consumer drives that may only have a 1 or if lucky 3 year warranty. One failed. I ordered the replacement under warranty and it arrived. Figured I'd stick it in and let it rebuild during business hours. Do the removal of the bad drive, wait the time for it to be detected as removed, prepare to put the new drive in (hot swappable). All of a sudden a second drive (on the SAME side of the array) went out and flagged as bad. About 2 hours on with support, and they agree, it is now showing 2 failed drives and not booting at all. And they have to get another drive and I requested their warranty tech also to bring the drive asap. So next morning start the reload and then restore from their backups. So while it is rare, if the server did not have working backups, they would have been screwed even more than they were with a day plus down time while the parts obtained, rebuild the host OS, and restore the VM. Raid is not a backup! (And this was a customer that we discussed all levels of backup- cloud, local, and an appliance that they decided they could not afford the price and monthly storage fees)...

With the ransomware, infections and malware and other things out there, backups (tested regularly) are needed. There has always been 2 types of computer users- those that have lost data (and hopefully had a backup to restore that lost data from) and those that are just lucky so far and will lose data at some point in time and will want backups.)

**RShea** · 05-24-2021, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by adrenalated

It's called fiber and it's wonderful. Move outta the sticks, fellas.

It is not just the sticks and rural areas. It is the big players that basically still think DSL is high speed internet and do not want to replace any copper lines at all or do upgrades to their networks. Cable companies have little incentive due to their monopoly for the franchise to get off their Coax that was run more than 30 years ago either.

**riser4** · 05-25-2021, 06:13 AM

Most people start backing up data immediately after an unrecoverable catastrophic failure.

**riser4** · 05-25-2021, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by RShea

It is not just the sticks and rural areas. It is the big players that basically still think DSL is high speed internet and do not want to replace any copper lines at all or do upgrades to their networks. Cable companies have little incentive due to their monopoly for the franchise to get off their Coax that was run more than 30 years ago either.

30. Or 40....

**riser4** · 05-25-2021, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by skaredshtles

Yeah - I'm the backup guy at our company... fortunately, our mgmt does not see it as a waste of time/$$.

And you're right - redundancy and backup are two *completely* different things. Don't get me started on the difference between archive and backup.

It's like we are parallel universe versions of each other.

**abraham** · 05-25-2021, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by riser3

It's like we are parallel universe versions of each other.

Except he knows that other subforums exist.

**skaredshtles** · 05-25-2021, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by highangle

I make backups, believe me. Pretty sure I have to by law. I've just never had to use them to recover from a catastrophe, knock wood.

You've been very fortunate.

**riser4** · 05-25-2021, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by abraham

Except he knows that other subforums exist.

That's just it, me in a different universe would by definition, be different.

**riser4** · 05-25-2021, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by skaredshtles

You've been very fortunate.

Yup.

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

**riser4** · 05-25-2021, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by abraham

Except he knows that other subforums exist.

And it's not that I don't know they exist. It's that there very existence offends me.

**skaredshtles** · 05-25-2021, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by riser3

<snip> It's that there very existence offends me.

There?

WHERE??!?

**Core Shot** · 05-25-2021, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by riser3

Yup.

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

Holy shit!

All he wanted was a faster pc