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03-05-2021, 04:39 PM #26Banned
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I say they got your money. Sure it's technically theft of services, but, to me what's the difference if you ski the days or someone else does? They expect the days to be used.
And on this board, if you didn't clip tickets in the lot you're a fucking liar. This is 100% no different.
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03-05-2021, 04:46 PM #27Not a skibum
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My little bump of a local hill in PA (Bear Creek) I believe is having a record season between way more pass sales (unrestricted, no reservation) and the lift ticket reservations for Fri, Sat, Sun have sold out every week this year, despite limiting ticket sales. Even weeknights have been pretty ridiculous some weeks, especially when we got snow that week.
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03-05-2021, 04:46 PM #28
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03-05-2021, 05:06 PM #29Banned
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It's still theft. If dude wants to risk his own ass by potentially being caught, or buyer/user chooses same well shit. Some thieves get caught some don't.
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03-05-2021, 05:07 PM #30Registered User
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Isn't there a dark web for stuff like this, where you get paid in Bitcoin or something? Or has that now become TGR?
Originally Posted by jm2e:
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03-05-2021, 05:34 PM #31Registered User
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Good question... honestly I’m not sure that was an off the cuff comment. I work in business lending (at a non-profit not a giant bank). Revenue for business this year has been super strange. Some outdoor industry spaces are doing great (rafting companies for example) but a lot of other areas have struggled more than you would think. For a resort it’s a question of where are they making their money... which varies from one mountain to the next. If I had to guess, small mountains are doing well... but big resorts not not as great... but I’ve been surprised other times during the pandemic. We’ll see once we get some data.
At the end of the day... I’m just not down with the logic that a group (or person) having a lot of money justifies stealing goods or services. Put in the context of TGR... someone not paying for a piece of gear because the seller has enough money and the buyer doesn’t is bullshit. Inequality sucks and I’m not trying to advocate for Uber wealthly groups... but It doesn’t change that being comfortable stealing doesn’t help anyone. Not trying to defend alterra... I just think this mindset makes the world a worse place.
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03-05-2021, 05:52 PM #32
To be super clear, I didn't advocate the OP's plan.
I'm somewhat ambivalent about it, though. I'm kinda of the opinion "If you want to risk that, then - well, I guess it's your ass on the line."
I wouldn't do it myself though, but I wouldn't likely help Alterra find out about it either.
But I can certainly understand the mindset. IMO, the resorts are doing things that seem way more rooted in maximizing profit even if it seems unreasonable on the face of it.
And here's one example;
Lift ticket for today (weekday ticket, pretty low visitor numbers, I'm sure) at MHM: $130, unless you purchased it - what, last week - in which case it might have been $110-120
Season pass at MHM - lets use the "value pass" price. ~$420 (IIRC)
That's NUTS.
Why is a regular weekday ticket more than 25% of the cost of a pass?
I was offended when a season pass was break-even in around a week of day tickets.
Yeah, the resorts is going to claims all sorts of stuff as the "reason" - but IMO, none passes the smell test.
So, when things look that sketchy - well, I completely understand why people pull stuff like trying to swap passes.
I don't agree with it, but I get where it comes from.
But that whole conversation just gets complicated fast.
Provide good value and things that the public will see as reasonable, and the public will be willing to support you, IMO.
Act like a robber-baron however - and well, I'm not likely to cry a lot when your house gets burned down. (Even if I'm not going to support the arsonist.)
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03-05-2021, 08:45 PM #33
selling a full Ikon pass
I support your interest in helping others, OP. I offer my pass to close friends who can’t afford one when I’m not skiing. I wouldn’t go out and sell mine if I was done with it, but I’ve given em to friends before to help them out. My friends>Vail Corp
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03-05-2021, 10:47 PM #34Registered User
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For Vail Resorts 20/21 season:
"Season pass sales through September 18, 2020 for the upcoming 2020/2021 North American ski season increased approximately 18% in units and decreased approximately 4% in sales dollars as compared to the period in the prior year through September 20, 2019, with sales dollars for this year reduced by the value of the redeemed credits provided to 2019/2020 North American pass holders. Without deducting for the value of the redeemed credits, sales dollars increased approximately 24% compared to the prior year."
https://unofficialnetworks.com/2020/09/28/epic-pass-sales-up-18-over-last-year/
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03-05-2021, 11:04 PM #35Hucked to flat once
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TGR.silkroad.com. Look into it.
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03-05-2021, 11:28 PM #36glocal
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I remember when the Sierra Green Pass worked quite well. The goodle daze.
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03-06-2021, 07:34 AM #37
Anyone that borrows or lends a pass in the days of photo id and pass scanners is a fool. They have days and days of photos of you and your face, helmet, jacket etc.
and a bounty on your head. Those folks looking at the kiosk or the iPad are rewarded handsomely for busting you.
I understand the angst. $164 day tickets? Fuckkkk
The mega passes have ruined day trip affordability.
But theft of services is a crime.
Unless you’re in a state that has decided to not charge for anything under $500, in which case go for it.. . .
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03-06-2021, 02:22 PM #38
What’s up with those iPads at Ikon and Epic? Does it show up with a bunch of your pictures? Just your pass picture? How much does the liftie get for busting someone?
Not advocating for anything, but hey we deserve to know the rules here.
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03-06-2021, 04:02 PM #39
Saw a guy at Brighton (of all places) yesterday got asked to remove mask and goggles to verify Id.
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03-07-2021, 08:47 AM #40
Very bad form OP.
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03-07-2021, 09:16 AM #41
Yeah I saw that happen here in Tahoe in January. Liftie was polite but firm.
It’s almost like — get this! — there are tons of people thinking ‘hey covid mask plus goggles means they can’t see my face!’. And the ski resorts are like ‘Dude, what makes you think that’s something we hadn’t thought you’d try.’
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03-07-2021, 09:19 AM #42
BTW, the OP should post a photo of his pass here. That way potential buyers can confirm they look like him. It’s the perfect plan I tell ya
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03-07-2021, 11:39 AM #43
Are those resorts also not opening lifts due to low staffing? Because that’s what’s happening at Steven’s, lack of lifties. Maybe someday I’ll see a lifty with an iPad checking id’s but here it ain’t gonna be this year
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03-07-2021, 12:00 PM #44
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03-07-2021, 12:11 PM #45Registered User
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At my hill (Alpental), they only have a person scanning passes ~50% of the time. From 2:30 - 4pm yesterday, they didn't have anyone even visible at the lift. The "lifties" were in the booth the whole time.
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03-07-2021, 12:16 PM #46Banned
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Yeah, but in fairness, that place is run like (and feels like) it's in a third world country sometimes.
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03-08-2021, 10:16 AM #47
I'm actually curious exactly how this works. I've seen people with mask up, goggles on etc get instantaneously pulled out of line for using somebody else's pass with a level of confidence from the liftie that exceeded a hunch, even before any kind of ID verification happened. Also have a friend who this happened to at Vail and she even took it as far as to wear the passholder's jacket. It would make sense if they had a bank of imagery from past scans as Core Shot said and ran some kind of recognition algorithm which is pretty simple to do, but you'd need a decent amount of data to have that work. For example I would probably be easy to bust since I've scanned in 40+ days this season all at SkiCo mountains within a 5 mile radius in a reliable pattern and worn the same jacket every time, but how well would that work if I was an epic/ikon passholder who skied 7 days a season all at different mountains and had a couple different jackets? Would this method penalize the people who ski the most since they're the ones who have enough data on them to allow the liftie/software to make a more confident prediction when they look "different"?
I've also heard theories about tying pass RFIDs to people's phones but that starts to sound like tin foil helmet shit
Mostly curious about how this is done at places like Vail and other epic/ikon mega mountains since that's where I've seen people get sniped out of line with conviction
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03-08-2021, 10:30 AM #48Registered User
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