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  1. #51
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    Fuck this skiing thing sounds a bit too complicated for me. I think ima quit.

  2. #52
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    I just buy the red ones.

  3. #53
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    Doesn't everyone have several pair of boots to suit the conditions of the day?

  4. #54
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    This is awesome

  5. #55
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    Quote Originally Posted by altacoup View Post
    Can I Dolphin turn in soft boots?
    Probably, but can you still topple?

  6. #56
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    just become a fat bastard like me and your boots will never feel stiff enough.
    you don't want no smoke.

  7. #57
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2FUNKY View Post
    I just buy the red ones.
    Is blaze orange as fast as red? Asking for a friend.
    Training for Alpental

  8. #58
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sessiøn View Post
    Is blaze orange as fast as red? Asking for a friend.
    No. Nor is it close to as stiff. “Bushwhacka Red” is the stiffest and fastest. Only available at Steaux.

  9. #59
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sessiøn View Post
    Is blaze orange as fast as red? Asking for a friend.
    nothing is as fast as red
    you don't want no smoke.

  10. #60
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    ^^^ Bwhahahahahahahah!
    I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.

  11. #61
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    Have you tried driving a euro wagon in soft boots? Not gonna happen

  12. #62
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealurface831 View Post
    nothing is as fast as red
    what about cherry red vs. ruby red. also asking for a friend


  13. #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by margotron View Post
    what about cherry red vs. ruby red. also asking for a friend
    Dog-dick red = best red

  14. #64
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    Quote Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds! View Post
    You sure know how to take the fun out of skiing.
    It’s what they do at the Pedantic Stoke Inhibitors of America (PSIA)
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  15. #65
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    Quote Originally Posted by margotron View Post
    what about cherry red vs. ruby red. also asking for a friend
    excellent question. cherry red wins out i would say.
    you don't want no smoke.

  16. #66
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    Quote Originally Posted by TBS View Post
    It’s what they do at the Pedantic Stoke Inhibitors of America (PSIA)
    I always thought it stood for Poles Stuck In Ass but I guess you learn something new every day!

  17. #67
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    certainly no reason for there to be a $100 price difference between a 110-120-130 flex boots when it is the same material, same plastics, same buckle and in most options similar liner. Interesting post, and can be true for many.

  18. #68
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushwacka View Post
    agreed although I think even stiffer than 130 is great if the alignment is correct and the skier knows that they are doing.
    agree, but there are alot of skiers that are not strong enough to power a 130 boot.

  19. #69
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeleBeaver View Post
    I always thought it stood for Poles Stuck In Ass but I guess you learn something new every day!
    I dunno, yours is equally apt...
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  20. #70
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    Quote Originally Posted by mff353 View Post
    agree, but there are alot of skiers that are not strong enough to power a 130 boot.
    There are 140lb humans in 150+ plugs......

    Strength has very little to do with it.

  21. #71
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushwacka View Post
    There are 140lb humans in 150+ plugs......

    Strength has very little to do with it.
    I'm 6' 180. I'm not strong. I don't ski fast. I have no trouble flexing a 130 boot because my leg is really, really long for my height--so long lever arm means I can apply enough force to flex the boot. (OTOH it really sucks doing squats.)

  22. #72
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    I think 90% of people. Actually 98% of people who ski can’t ski for shit. The others know what boots they like. Current “130” flex boots are too soft for my preference. Even at 165 lbs.

  23. #73
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    Quote Originally Posted by mff353 View Post
    certainly no reason for there to be a $100 price difference between a 110-120-130 flex boots when it is the same material, same plastics, same buckle and in most options similar liner. Interesting post, and can be true for many.
    how about dvelopment cost
    Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know

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    Wow, I thought 98% seemed like a high percentage but then did a little math and see that you may be spot on. Just as an example Vail daily capacity is ~55k x 2% = 1100 ripping skiers spread across ~2800 acres of advanced terrain. The other 53,900 people that can't ski for shit are spread across all of the 5200 acres, and 90% or 48,510 of them are in boots that are too fucking stiff. Do I have that right?

    Wait, that seems like a lot of overly stiff boots, doesn't it? I'd say following the premise they can't ski for shit that all 98% of them are in boots that are too fucking stiff.

    To summarize I think we're on the same page that there are people who 'ski', and there are skiers. People who 'ski' buy boots that are too fucking stiff.
    Who cares how the crow flies

  25. #75
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliBrit View Post
    I think 90% of people. Actually 98% of people who ski can’t ski for shit. The others know what boots they like. Current “130” flex boots are too soft for my preference. Even at 165 lbs.
    I am with you. Boots these days are much softer than boots 10-20 years ago. Why? The shapez, the rockerz, the centered mountz, and the worze skiing levels.

    also a few things:
    (a) biomechanics matter. Long shins need a stiffer boot and more forward lean (relatively).
    (b) location/temp matters: boots are softer warm and stiffer in the cold
    (c) liners and fit matter as does how tight you clamp your buckles
    (d) easy to make a stiff boot softer
    (e) really hard to make a soft boot stiffer
    (f) impossible to meaningfully gauge stiffness in a 70F store
    (g) the pigment (color) of plastic actually does change stiffness at different temps
    (h) the type of plastic (pu, pe, pebax, g-mid) changes the stiffness across different temperatures
    (I) flex numbers across different brands are totally arbitrary and very greatly.
    (j) in short, flex numbers are meaningless.


    long story short, figure out what works for you, and ski those boots for a decade. unless you ski everyday / work in your boots, and in which l-case just keep buying the same boot over and over while you can.

    nothing is better than the right boots. And nothing is worse than the wrong boots.

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