United 328.....Holeeeeee Shit.

**Mazderati** · 02-24-2021, 01:36 PM

Sounds like quite a few similarities between air and rail industries. Positive train control (PTC) is probably going to be the drone-flying rail equivalent. Some of PTC is common sense and very much worth implementing but it also eliminates jobs that pay well (albeit with some of the worst schedules). General consensus among salty conductors and engineers seems to be current two-man crews will be further reduced to one-man-only crews, with the one-man as a CYA measure for the companies.

**XXX-er** · 02-24-2021, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Mazderati

Sounds like quite a few similarities between air and rail industries. Positive train control (PTC) is probably going to be the drone-flying rail equivalent. Some of PTC is common sense and very much worth implementing but it also eliminates jobs that pay well (albeit with some of the worst schedules). General consensus among salty conductors and engineers seems to be current two-man crews will be further reduced to one-man-only crews, with the one-man as a CYA measure for the companies.

goggle lac-megantic

**ötzi** · 02-24-2021, 01:45 PM

Another BS corp move. Fight PTC for years because it costs money to implement. Have people die because it wasn't implemented. Finally, kicking and screaming, move to install and implement it but then try to scratch the money back from their own workers. What a load of shit.

**splat** · 02-24-2021, 01:57 PM

Automation is as automation does.

**Mazderati** · 02-24-2021, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by ötzi

Another BS corp move. Fight PTC for years because it costs money to implement. Have people die because it wasn't implemented. Finally, kicking and screaming, move to install and implement it but then try to scratch the money back from their own workers. What a load of shit.

Nail on head.

**Ted Striker** · 02-24-2021, 04:03 PM

It's the same. There's a constant battle between the flight ops training dept and the bean counters, who see training as a cost that can be trimmed. It even comes up in contract negotiations.

The answer of course is that lack of safety will ultimately cost more, but they use the MC Escher-esque argument that statistically air travel is extremely safe already. Uh yeah... BECAUSE of training.

**stuckathuntermtn** · 02-24-2021, 04:31 PM

I mean, we've already automated away the flight engineer, the navigator, the radio operator.
It seems conceivable that the copilot could soon be in an office somewhere.
Edit to add: the tail gunner, the bombardier...

**old goat** · 02-24-2021, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn

I mean, we've already automated away the flight engineer, the navigator, the radio operator.
It seems conceivable that the copilot could soon be in an office somewhere.
Edit to add: the tail gunner, the bombardier...

Might have to bring those guys back if the UFO's keep buzzing planes.

**DJSapp** · 02-24-2021, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Mazderati

Sounds like quite a few similarities between air and rail industries. Positive train control (PTC) is probably going to be the drone-flying rail equivalent. Some of PTC is common sense and very much worth implementing but it also eliminates jobs that pay well (albeit with some of the worst schedules). General consensus among salty conductors and engineers seems to be current two-man crews will be further reduced to one-man-only crews, with the one-man as a CYA measure for the companies.

PTC combined with some of Tesla's self driving collision avoidance hardware/software for triggering braking for something fowling the track and rails could be fully automated, and soon.

**riser4** · 02-25-2021, 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by ötzi

Typical fuckin corporations. Everybody's doing okay but they have to try to grab a bigger slice so they fuck up the whole equation and then they wonder why shit's fucked up.

Capitalism is evil.

**old goat** · 02-25-2021, 09:26 AM

Every economic system since mankind "advanced" beyond subsistence agriculture has been evil.

**Meadow Skipper** · 02-25-2021, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by old goat

Every economic system since mankind "advanced" beyond subsistence agriculture has been evil.

I never thought about that, but that’s a good point.

Which leads me to one of my closely-held operating principles: people suck.

**stuckathuntermtn** · 02-25-2021, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by riser3

Capitalism is evil.

I think a lot of people are confusing neo-liberal oligarchy with capitalism and Keynesian capitalism with socialism.
Long live the capitalist welfare state!

**seano732** · 03-07-2021, 09:36 AM

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-over-n1259813

**XXX-er** · 03-10-2021, 09:33 PM

https://worldofaviation.com/2021/03/...ngine-failure/

these people are going to need the $$$$$$ to buy emotional support animals

**ötzi** · 03-10-2021, 09:38 PM

$5bn would pay for a lot of support animals.

**XXX-er** · 03-10-2021, 09:46 PM

Emotional support animals no longer ride free and you gotta check them like any other animal so the people of flight 328 will need that money

**The AD** · 03-10-2021, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by XXX-er

https://worldofaviation.com/2021/03/...ngine-failure/

People are so fucking pathetic.

**Mazderati** · 03-10-2021, 10:16 PM

It would be a lot easier to takes sides if the airline wasn't just as pathetic.

**The AD** · 03-10-2021, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by Mazderati

It would be a lot easier to takes sides if the airline wasn't just as pathetic.

How so?

**Mazderati** · 03-10-2021, 10:32 PM

Flight 3411, killing and losing pets, United v. Skiplagged, bonus lotteries. Take your pick.

**XXX-er** · 03-10-2021, 10:34 PM

isnt that ^^ whataboutism ?

at least lets have entertainment

**Ted Striker** · 03-10-2021, 10:56 PM

The defendant makes a settlement offer of free tickets which the plaintiffs eat up - proving that they weren't in fact traumatized.

Meanwhile UA threatens P&W and receives price concessions on future business.