Wax on skins

[Cocximus]

I had a complete skin failure. I put Hertel Racing FC 739 the night before and the next day one skin was just coming off. Zero adherence after a few km of skinning. I kept them in my bibs to warm them up, then I dried them with my glasses wipes, but still zero adherence. The other one was working fine. One of the skins has some was stuck on the glue. I am thinking that's where the snow started getting under it. Anyone have a suggestion on how to get the wax off? Non-stick gauze and an iron? Or maybe the skin glue does not work too well with FC 739 and I was lucky one of them worked?

[XXX-er]

Not familure with your wax but I would try heating it with a hot iron, some heavy brown paper might soak up whatever is on the skins, be careful about what you use i had a buddy try newspaper and it was a fucking mess cuz the newspaper stuck in the glue

I had to go over and help him, he was a doctor so I suggested he was lucky I make house calls

wax usually melts at about 275 F , glue melts at a higher temp so you can maybe heat/soak up the wax before the glue melts

I normaly use 320F for heating in the hot glue

[nickel]

At the risk of discussing the obvious, how diligent were you with removing all extra wax? Did you brush?

[dcpnz]

Looks like hertel racing fc 739 is a fluoro wax.
Fluoro wax + skin glue is a no go ever. That's likely why your skin glue failed. Re-wax with hydrocarbon wax and try again.

[gregL]

So he used fluoro wax on one ski and HC on the other?

I've been using Swix LF for years on all my touring skis and have had no problems with adhesion - super thorough with scraping and brushing, though.

[Cocximus]

Minimal scraping and shop vac. Usually I would do a few resort laps before putting skins on. I like to have a thick layer of wax. It's pretty effective at protecting from rocks. Sounds like I either have to scrape the skis or use non FC wax. It's weird is that the one skin did not stick even after warming and wiping it.

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[nickel]

I don't know what past experience you've had but scraping and brushing is critical to skin longevity. I scrape and brush and still only wax my touring skis on days where I know I'll get to slide before I skin if possible.

[XXX-er]

heat wax on and scrape/ brush it all off, racers will rotobrush the fuck out of the base structure,

but seriously if you can scrape wax off a p-tex base with your fingernail how much is it going to protect in the event of a rock strike with body weight/ forward motion ?

I've seen blue wax still on a ski base months after hot waxing

now if you could glue 1" cakes of canning wax to your ski base that would protect the bases

[gregL]

Minimal scraping and shop vac. Usually I would do a few resort laps before putting skins on. I like to have a thick layer of wax. It's pretty effective at protecting from rocks.

You need to scrape well and brush the shit out of it to get the best performance from the wax, not to mention getting your skins to stick. Ski around the rocks.

[J. Barron DeJong]

I hate skiing with the wrong wax on my skis. Usually I stick a new coat of wax on my skis every 3rd or 4th day on them. After spending three pow days on my 89 underfoot carving skis with CH7 on my skis (which was a blast), I knew that they were almost due for a wax. Today, my wife an I spent the day at DV skiing hardpack. This morning, when we got into the truck at 8:30, the temp read -5F. As soon as I placed my skis on the snow they acted like a cow being dragged to the slaughterhouse. Very sluggish. They were sticking to the ice and very grabby. As soon as I returned home, I waxed them with a #4/5 combo. I'd say that 90% of the time, I am skiing the Wasatch with CH6 or 7.
It's cold out there and skis need to be waxed accordingly

Yeah, but what about skins? Need to be waxed too?

[schindlerpiste]

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