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02-19-2021, 05:00 PM #126
There's a better balance to be had between the current pile it high and sell it cheap model and making everywhere a Yellowstone club.
The only way their current model works is to cram more people into a finite resource.
Yes, pass income creates a buffer against bad seasons and low day sales. But on the other hand I've had a season pass renewed for free after a particularly bad year here in the past.
The next step for the mega passes? Limiting how many days you can ski on your Epikonic "season" pass at your local hill. Or sticking with a Covid-19 reservation system.
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02-19-2021, 05:11 PM #127
Also keep in mind there is the factor of the amount of $$$ brought in from pass/ticket sales and all the other ways that a Resort uses to pry that $$$ from peoples wallets and then there is what it costs to put up the circus tent and take it back down.
While there seem to be lots of asses on the seats I wonder about those $$$.
The next step for the mega passes? Limiting how many days you can ski on your Epikonic "season" pass at your local hill. Or sticking with a Covid-19 reservation system.
I rode chairs with a bunch of people today, maybe 20-22 and only 2-3 were local passholders. The rest were sheepish Ikon passholders and all very nice folks. A day ticket today was in the $180 range, they had no reason to explain/apologize to me.I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.
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02-19-2021, 06:43 PM #128
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02-19-2021, 07:27 PM #129
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02-19-2021, 07:44 PM #130
Fuck Yea
JS is right, too.
We even have a poster bragging about how enviro groups can paralyze any project on FS land with endless fucking challenges until an acceptable compromise is reached. Acceptable to whom? Well, guess what? Everyone who makes a challenge thinks their challenge, or at least the cause supported by the spurious objection, is legit.
The system is SEVERELY fucked up and imbalanced.Originally Posted by blurred
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02-19-2021, 08:38 PM #131
I'm not saying the way it is is the way it should be, just that it's the way it is. We can type all we want about how we'd like things to be but no one at Vail and Alterra is listening.
As far as environmental groups being the problem--or solution depending on your point of view, that may have been true in the past. Mineral King, Coldstream, Independence Lake are all examples here. But get rid of the environmental groups today and no one is building any new ski resorts.
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02-19-2021, 09:58 PM #132
Don't have any idea how to increase the supply side, but the demand is definitely here. Denver, SLC, JH, anywhere in California?, Seattle, Portland - any snowy area within 2 hours of these places seems like it would have a strong chance of success,
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02-20-2021, 10:35 AM #133
Our typing may not matter at all to Vail Resorts and Alterra, but the purchasing decisions we make absolutely do make a big difference to these corporations. That's my point. We do have some leverage in this situation; we just have to decide to use it and stop being sheep who just willingly lap up whatever slop is offered and act like its filet mignon. It's easy to blame the big corps, but they aren't going anywhere and will always follow the $. If the money and the demand was in offering a quality product over mass access to hordes of people, the money-hungry corps would go where the money is. The only thing that motivates profit-driven businesses is money. Resorts' money comes from skiers. That is where the focus should be if we want to reverse what is a depressing trend.
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02-20-2021, 12:03 PM #134
That’s not my experience. Maybe people just like to bitch?
I’m not a weekend skier so I don’t see the crowds, weekdays are great.
Comparing this season to the norm is also a bit lame, everything is busier.
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02-20-2021, 05:18 PM #135Registered User
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I think it's the smaller resorts like Monarch that aren't making a ton of money. I would imagine that every vail resort (at least here in CO) is making a ton of money off of the tourists they bring in. Lodging, tickets, and food add up over a week. I think the profitability of a resort really comes down to how well they can keep people in their resort village spending money?
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02-21-2021, 06:11 AM #136Registered User
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02-21-2021, 07:05 AM #137Registered User
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Recycling old ski areas seems to be your best bet here in CO but it is still a hudge undertaking.
There was talk of reopening Stagecoach ski area south of Steamboat but apparently that fell though recently. A pretty good sized ski area that gets 300+ on average w/ north facing slopes. No exactly sure why it fell through.
Other attempts in CO have been St Mary’s outside of Idaho Springs, Squaw pass which is now Echo Mountain and amazingly still open, and they are currently working on Cuchara down in Huerfano county.
I really miss Berthoud Pass ski area when it was open. Such a fun place w/ a good vibe and lots of snow. I think that area gets more skiers now than it ever did back when it was a ski area though. Sure would be nice to have some avalanche mitigation up there again.
It seems like the USFS is also far more interested in allowing current ski areas expand than allowing new ones to open.
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02-21-2021, 07:14 AM #138
Monarch has pass/ticket sales vs food, beverage and gift shop sales. The former addresses operations the latter profit. Their guests stay down in town and support that economy. Same with Sunlight. On weekends the parking lots are full but you won't wait in line near as long as at a mega. Week days are $$.
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02-21-2021, 07:25 AM #139
Turner Mountain Montana is a great blueprint for what should be scattered across the Cascades (and other ranges) many times over. Locally run smaller ski areas that are treated as a public benefit and a positive for the community.
1.) some cut runs, lots of glading.
2.) Small lodge and minimal infrastructure.
3.)1 Riblet chair that accesses tons of great terrain and 2k vert of great skiing.
4.)support from the local town, businesses and county.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn...ain_Ski_Resort
https://www.skiturner.com/
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02-21-2021, 07:56 AM #140
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02-21-2021, 08:08 AM #141
Do they have respirators on loan for the asbestos?
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02-21-2021, 08:55 AM #142Monarch has pass/ticket sales vs food, beverage and gift shop sales. The former addresses operations the latter profit. Their guests stay down in town and support that economy. Same with Sunlight. On weekends the parking lots are full but you won't wait in line near as long as at a mega. Week days are $$.
Turner Mountain Montana is a great blueprint for what should be scattered across the Cascades (and other ranges) many times over. Locally run smaller ski areas that are treated as a public benefit and a positive for the community.
1.) some cut runs, lots of glading.
2.) Small lodge and minimal infrastructure.
3.)1 Riblet chair that accesses tons of great terrain and 2k vert of great skiing.
4.)support from the local town, businesses and county.
Keep the debt and overhead low and the product price reasonable. Bridger Bowl is that model taken to the extreme.I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.
"Happiest years of my life were earning < $8.00 and hour, collecting unemployment every spring and fall, no car, no debt and no responsibilities. 1984-1990 Park City UT"
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02-21-2021, 09:12 AM #143
I’m not gonna tell yall where I skied with no lines during ski week. But it can still happen.
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02-21-2021, 09:18 AM #144
So when do we talk about opening up some new ski areas?
Happens everyday I ski. I’m lucky to have the flexibility to work weekends.
I do feel for my friends that have to deal with the tourist hordes on weekends and holidays though. The only weekend I’ve skied this season was at Alta. It was crazy but it didn’t bother me because I knew it was something I don’t have to deal with normally.
I agree that the future should be places like Turner and other small private ski areas. The experience is so much better than the typical zoo of resorts.
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02-21-2021, 09:44 AM #145Registered User
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02-21-2021, 09:45 AM #146NYSB: NYSkiBlog.com
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02-21-2021, 09:59 AM #147
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02-21-2021, 10:55 AM #148
I can solve this problem. Simply remove Highlands from the Ikon pass...then I am happy and all is good.
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02-21-2021, 11:03 AM #149
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02-21-2021, 08:27 PM #150
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