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Thread: Wolves are rad.
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03-05-2021, 09:58 AM #26
This post didn’t get the appreciation it deserved the first time around. Cool story; see any eyes reflect back at you? (Do wolves eyes reflect?)
Send all the top tier predators to the Midwest and South. So many fucking deer that you can’t kill unless you use a van.
IAS, also a cool story. Does/did Mustonen work on Isle Royale?I still call it The Jake.
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03-05-2021, 10:22 AM #27
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03-05-2021, 10:23 AM #28
This post, along with the fact that the Ojibwe tribe came out and said they would kill none of their 81 allocated wolves did not receive the appreciation it deserves.
The biologist targeted 200 wolves and 216 were taken. Wolves are obviously very good at breeding and expanding their population. If they are going to be re-introduced all over the place, there has to be hunting to control their population based on science. If the goal is to collapse the population of elk/deer in order to decimate the hunting industry...then I guess I can see why pro-wolf people don't want population control. However, if we are trying to balance populations of all the animals, there are two options. We either hunt them, or we kill virtually all humans. I know which way pro-wolf people generally lean in that argument, but it probably isn't realistic."We had nice 3 days in your autonomous mountain realm last weekend." - Tom from Austria (the Rax ski guy)
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03-05-2021, 10:27 AM #29
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03-05-2021, 10:40 AM #30
Not sure I understand. The hunting industry generates $17B annually in the US and at almost $1B annually in Colorado (with almost $3B in annual in state spending by hunters), it is the second largest economic driver for Colorado after skiing. As a Colorado resident, I would rather not lose that.
"We had nice 3 days in your autonomous mountain realm last weekend." - Tom from Austria (the Rax ski guy)
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03-05-2021, 10:44 AM #31
Hunting was a big reason they built the Mackinac Bridge--epic backups for the ferry during hunting season. Back in the day Michigan hunters--the non local kind--were famous for shooting anything that moved--cows, kids waiting for the schoolbus, each other. Is it still like that?
I came across this interesting fact on Wikipedia--"Some individuals have difficulty crossing bridges, a phenomenon known as gephyrophobia. The Mackinac Bridge Authority has a Drivers Assistance Program that provides drivers for those with gephyrophobia, or anyone who is more comfortable having someone else drive them across. More than a thousand people use this service every year. Those interested can arrange, either by phone or with the toll collector, to have their cars or motorcycles driven to the other end. There is no additional fee for this service." Never heard of that before.
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03-05-2021, 11:34 AM #32
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03-05-2021, 11:34 AM #33
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03-05-2021, 11:42 AM #34
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03-05-2021, 11:50 AM #35User
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You sure?
This is based on feelings?
I'm not really a fan either. But, admittedly, I know very little about it.
Again, you've based this on emotion and things you don't know.
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03-05-2021, 12:05 PM #36
YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T KNOW A FUCKING THING ABOUT THE NORTH AMERICAN MODEL OF CONSERVATION. YOU'RE JUST LIKE THE OTHER CITY DUMBFUCKS THAT THINK WOLVES ARE THE SAME AS YOUR YELLOW LAB OR WHATEVER YOU LEARNED FROM WALT DISNEY. SADLY, THE PROBLEM IS YOUR DETACHMENT FROM NATURE/REALITY BECAUSE YOU LIVE IN AN ARTIFICIAL MAN MADE ENVIRONMENT, AND YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT IT'S LIKE IN THE NATURAL WORLD. YOUR "RELATIONSHIPS" WITH WOLVES ARE ABOUT THE SAME AS YOUR "RELATIONSHIP" TO THE PORNSTAR YOU WACK OFF TO. DETACHED. SO WHY YOU CAST JUDGEMENT ON HUNTERS WHO MANAGE THE POPULATION OF WOLVES THAT THEY PAY FOR, REMEMBER THAT YOU HAVEN'T GIVEN A CENT TO CONSERVATION.....AND WHILE WOLVES RUN AROUND KILLING EVERYTHING THEY CAN IN A TORTUROUS WAY....USUALLY EATING THEM ALIVE ASSHOLE FIRST, YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT IF YOU CAN MAYBE "SEE THEM" THE ONE TIME YOU LEAVE THE CITY TO WHATEVER JACKOFF TOURIST SPOT YOU STAY AT. FUCKTARDS LIKE YOURSELF JUST DON'T GET IT. SSS
Hey d-bag - here's something for you to think about: maybe (just maybe) not everybody here has their little panties in a wad 24/7 and flies into a rage whenever somebody disagrees with them. Maybe these same mags don't take this place uber-seriously. Maybe this even includes the vast majority of the people who post here as opposed to you and like 20 other thin-skinned douchebags. Just something to think about. -JER
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03-05-2021, 12:35 PM #37User
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Well, that escalated quickly.
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03-05-2021, 12:36 PM #38
Yeah you don't eat ass on the first date. Those wolves are aggressive
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03-05-2021, 12:36 PM #39
A slight deviation to interject some facts.
Wolf populations in North America can generally support a harvest between 16-74% of the population abundance (Fuller et al. 2003).
From a management perspective the maximum sustainable harvest rate is typically placed ~30%.
If managers want to reduce a population they aim to harvest ~50% of the total estimated abundance for a number of years (Adams et al. 2008).
There are a suite of wolf control methods that can be utilized e.g., trapping, hunting, airborne shooting, poison, remove pups from den (gps collared adult), sterilization.
Some are more effective than others and it changes by environment.
Given the reported population numbers in Wisconsin ~1,195 a harvest of 216 wolves is 18%.
The state's overall harvest goal was originally set at 200 wolves, though the Ojibwe tribe had claim to 81 (and stated they wouldn't hunt).
So basically they harvested their stated goal (harvested 216) - just not in the way they wanted it to happen.
From an overall population abundance viewpoint the harvested amount is not a concern. Possibly some spatial concerns, but frankly with wolf movement and pack building/recolonizing it is minor.
The management by lawsuit and special interests is a substantial concern if one is more interested in scientifically informed management than "ballot box" management.
Perspective: I think wolves are pretty neat. I hunt, though not predators.
Wolves are also super disgusting animals (I've collected way too much of their poop to think any differently) that live really hard lives and generally have a short lifespan.
Think of a dog that will pretty much eat anything, likely has some old skull fractures from being kicked by a moose, climbs into the belly of said moose, then lays up in a den for a while, then will fight to the death over territory.
So I don't know, maybe take that into consideration when you think of them as your "spirit animal"...
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03-05-2021, 12:51 PM #40
Americans like to think of themselves as scrapy rebellious hardcore creatures but most have the spirit animal of a pig, cow, or other mass consumer IMO
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03-05-2021, 12:53 PM #41
A pig is generally smarter however.
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03-05-2021, 01:00 PM #42
Yup, the realities of the body do not tend to jive with our romantic notions of the spirit, for just about any flesh and blood aspect of our world. Mother Nature (heh) is amazingly beautify, but is also incredibly cruel and disgusting. Guess that's why we love our hounds so much - they hold no fallacies about the purity of our spirit, and love us for our faults regardless. Even though I have witnessed some of the worst of wild canine behaviour, it does not diminish my sense of wonder and joy when feeling their presence, even if I did not actually see them in the dark on the XC trail. They are true to their nature and make no appologies for it.
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03-05-2021, 01:08 PM #43
Those photos from Mech, Smith, and Macnulty. Wolves on the Hunt or yours, or someone else? Cool either way.
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03-05-2021, 01:21 PM #44"timberridge is terminally vapid" -- a fortune cookie in Yueyang
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03-05-2021, 01:24 PM #45Registered User
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Re-reading some White Fang is in order
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03-05-2021, 01:27 PM #46
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03-05-2021, 01:27 PM #47
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03-05-2021, 01:51 PM #48
None are mine - I suck with the camera. I've seen a couple of pack take-downs from the air similar to the first 3 photos when working in the Ominecas years ago. The last pic of a hamstrung cow was taken by a coworker, who was also a part time guide. They took the flight down low and he got an excellent pic of what they thought was the alpha, staring up at the heli with a very fuck-you kind of stance.
I've never really feared wolves in the backcountry, except when I was out there with my 4-legged buddy. He would get so worked up when we heard the wolves howling, and I would have to tie him up to keep him at camp. They would have torn him to pieces if they ever got a hold of him.
Last time I came f2f with a pack was during a deer hunt in some thick valley bottom wetlands about 8yrs ago. We both took each other by surprise in the willows and were no more than about 20m apart. The lead was all smiles and tail held high until it saw me and we locked eyes, then it was an 'oh shit' moment, and then all I saw was three tails heading back the way they came. I don't think a grin left my face the rest of the day.
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03-05-2021, 01:53 PM #49
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