Sobriety, V2.

[Foggy_Goggles]

Keep kicking ass dudes. Every time I think I might be done with this place, I read something like this that reminds me that there are so many good people helping each other and being real that I keep coming back.

[54-46]

Going cold turkey can be dangerous. My ex GF did that and ended up seizing. Could have died. Recommend a medically supervised detox.


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[gaijin]

Going cold turkey can be dangerous. My ex GF did that and ended up seizing. Could have died. Recommend a medically supervised detox.

So at what point is cold turkey dangerous? What daily intake over time makes quitting cold dangerous?

What’s the literal daily intake?

Because tapering is also insanely hard. The alcoholic can set a taper schedule and once the numbers get too low after a few days the monkey brain will take over and day 6 of 50% intake results in the monkey saying— “Fuck it. We’re drinking again.” This is kindling for a disaster.

And then— said tapering alcoholic failed the schedule. And now he has to start all over again… under the belief that cold turkey is too dangerous.

So— go to a clinic.

No fucking way. That goes on the social security number health system record. Meaning— all future employers will know of your past battles.

So, back to the OG question. At what point is quitting cold the more dangerous road than failing the taper schedule over and over again?

[byates1]

I was drinking 6/8/10/12 a day, beers 6.5 abv. I stopped in my own. Couple nights sweating.

I think if you are deep into hard liquor hitting a handle or more daily then yeah want to be ready for detox.

Ymmv

[Cono Este]

Update, my gf is 30 days sober. A month ago she was mixing pills and Chardonnay and I thought shed die after we were into a hike and I figured it out. Her parents and family,friends were all telling me she was hopeless, and going to die. Glad I followed through. Def learnt a lot.

As great as this all is, it’s the second time in 6 months, and there won’t be a third for me, both times after I help, her aa sponsor shows up a day late and says no dating, even though we’ve been off and on for two yrs . It fucked my whole summer up and my house sale fell through.

I feel for all of you, and I will personally never have a drink again. Although this all made me start smoking blunts again. Need to turn that around for myself and stay away from crazy chics.

[Self Jupiter]

So— go to a clinic.

No fucking way. That goes on the social security number health system record. Meaning— all future employers will know of your past battles.

Employers can check on health records? In the US? I have no idea but that would surprise me.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Gaijin might be drinking again. Your SSN isn’t tied to your medical records and even if it was you are protected by HIPAA.

As far as DTs and seizures during detox it depends on the individual. Body weight, duration, how you drink through the day etc.

Like if you’re drinking a few liters of wine or a case of beer or a liter of vodka everyday day and starting in the morning until you go to bed you’re going to have issues with stopping.


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[seano732]

Just checking in. Day seven. I had three straight nights of insomnia, then the night before last woke up drenched in sweat. I was hyper aware of any SxS that would send me to the ER, but so far so good. Thanks again to all the mags who reached out. One day at a time.

[Self Jupiter]

Way to be seano.

[54-46]

Gaijin might be drinking again. Your SSN isn’t tied to your medical records and even if it was you are protected by HIPAA.

As far as DTs and seizures during detox it depends on the individual. Body weight, duration, how you drink through the day etc.

Like if you’re drinking a few liters of wine or a case of beer or a liter of vodka everyday day and starting in the morning until you go to bed you’re going to have issues with stopping.


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^^^ this. And, it’s not just tapering. My GF was having benzos Rx and was being supervised by a nurse. Look into getting assistance instead of trying to detox solo.


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[Whiteroom_Guardian]

Hypothetically even if employers could somehow see your medical records.....they can't....they would probably rather hire someone who quit drinking vs someone blackout at the job. Call me crazy.

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[TNKen]

Daughter just rolled over 400 days sober.

Has gotten into nursing school and doing well, all grades 90 or above. She has always been bright, just never motivated to do anything.

Still incredibly annoying at times, but doing well.

[Dantheman]

Chemical dependency is considered a disability by the ADA. It is illegal to fire or refuse to hire someone due to past or ongoing addiction treatment and/or history of addiction.*

If your company has more than 50 employees and you've been there at least a year, you can use FMLA to take a leave of absence to attend rehab. You cannot be fired for using FMLA and you can keep your reason for doing so confidential.


* - If you are not using on the job, your company has more than 15 employees, and your employer actually cares about following the law.

[Mr C]

How does this go on your record with the HIPA laws?

[Buzzworthy]

How does this go on your record with the HIPA laws?

An employer can not see any of your medical records without your express consent. This is HIPAA.

You do not have to worry about this at all.

[Buzzworthy]

Let me rephrase, no one ever can see them without your consent. Not even your wife if you have not given consent to said individual.

[Buzzworthy]

Nice job Seano. I do wish you success in your journey.

[gaijin]

I understand the laws where I'm from, back home (The great USA), but it's not that way here in JP. We have employer-funded, mandatory, annual health checks. Those reports go to our companies to determine if we're eligible (capable) to work. I've already been told that if I don't get my liver numbers down, I won't be eligible for future employment. Drug tests are also a part of that game. If I were to, for example, test positive for THC, I wouldn't only lose my job, I'd be forced into divorce, forced to serve prison time, and then be deported.

It's different here. Of the three times I've sought help from clinics for a detox, they told me "Go find an AA meeting. Good luck." They don't treat detox at the consumer level. Mainly because they don't want to see me lose my family.

If I were to stumble into the ER vomitting, and were a threat to society, they'd definitely put me on an IV and then call the police to file a report. That would be my detox. And my loss of career.

That's why I'm asking for real-world numbers. I just don't have the medical support network you'd think I would. I quit, I relapse. MagUni calls me out when I'm a few drinks deep on here.

I'm typically a 6-8 glasses of wine guy from 3-4pm until bed. Not very severe, but enough to have a grip over me when I decide to quit again. I've seen birds fly across the office, so I have a hunch what DTs look like.

The other part of me is like-- Just go cold, have a heart attack if you have to, you'll be all the better after that.

Some would say my consumption isn't enough to warrant fears of DTs. Maybe my monkey brain "threatening me" about what's going to happen is an exaggeration.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Can’t you ask for help there? Like from your employer. The Japanese like to drink a lot, no?


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[seano732]

Daughter just rolled over 400 days sober.

Has gotten into nursing school and doing well, all grades 90 or above. She has always been bright, just never motivated to do anything.

Still incredibly annoying at times, but doing well.

I missed this earlier. Awesome news Ken!

[54-46]

I understand the laws where I'm from, back home (The great USA), but it's not that way here in JP. We have employer-funded, mandatory, annual health checks. Those reports go to our companies to determine if we're eligible (capable) to work. I've already been told that if I don't get my liver numbers down, I won't be eligible for future employment. Drug tests are also a part of that game. If I were to, for example, test positive for THC, I wouldn't only lose my job, I'd be forced into divorce, forced to serve prison time, and then be deported.

It's different here. Of the three times I've sought help from clinics for a detox, they told me "Go find an AA meeting. Good luck." They don't treat detox at the consumer level. Mainly because they don't want to see me lose my family.

If I were to stumble into the ER vomitting, and were a threat to society, they'd definitely put me on an IV and then call the police to file a report. That would be my detox. And my loss of career.

That's why I'm asking for real-world numbers. I just don't have the medical support network you'd think I would. I quit, I relapse. MagUni calls me out when I'm a few drinks deep on here.

I'm typically a 6-8 glasses of wine guy from 3-4pm until bed. Not very severe, but enough to have a grip over me when I decide to quit again. I've seen birds fly across the office, so I have a hunch what DTs look like.

The other part of me is like-- Just go cold, have a heart attack if you have to, you'll be all the better after that.

Some would say my consumption isn't enough to warrant fears of DTs. Maybe my monkey brain "threatening me" about what's going to happen is an exaggeration.

Try doing tele health with an outfit in US, like One medical. At least you’ll be doing video consultation with a profession a doctor or nurse practitioner. Gotta be better than getting random advice from a bunch of skiers.


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[irul&ublo]

Try doing tele health with an outfit in US, like One medical. At least you’ll be doing video consultation with a profession a doctor or nurse practitioner. Gotta be better than getting random advice from a bunch of dentists.


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FIFY


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[SoVT Joey]

Alcohol detox is nuts. The guys that came into rehab when I was there the three times were tough as hell. All of us junkies just wanted to die in detox cause it sucked. The alcoholics always said they were fine until seizures would start. They all got put on Valium usually for a few days.


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[54-46]

Alcohol detox is nuts. The guys that came into rehab when I was there the three times were tough as hell. All of us junkies just wanted to die in detox cause it sucked. The alcoholics always said they were fine until seizures would start. They all got put on Valium usually for a few days.


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Yeah, Valium are one type of benzos (benzodiazepines). Smooths out the detox.


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[Danno]

I came across this article and thought it might be useful for some: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/17/w...smid=url-share

Learning how to maintain existing connections without alcohol can be tough.