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02-16-2021, 12:49 PM #151Registered User
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[Not to sidetrack the thread, but a slope having trees on it should not be utilized as an indicator of stability/safety. If the trees are spaced out enough to comfortably ski through, it's a slope that has the potential to slide.
Just to add to the pile, thank you to Sfotex for the work you do and the insight you provide here.[/QUOTE]
Just saw a slope 2 days ago in the Backcountry with trees too tight to ski through and it had slid. It was rollover, probably 40 deg. Never seen that tight of trees slide.
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02-18-2021, 10:22 AM #152
Caution: it's a tough listenhttps://ksltv.com/455473/avalanche-s...aimed-4-lives/
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02-18-2021, 10:27 AM #153
Just saw a slope 2 days ago in the Backcountry with trees too tight to ski through and it had slid. It was rollover, probably 40 deg. Never seen that tight of trees slide.[/QUOTE]
Yep - a famous ski guide (Shocklee) at Silverton told me *many* moons ago: if the trees are skiable, you aren't safe from slides. Has always stuck with me...
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02-18-2021, 10:30 AM #154
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02-18-2021, 11:10 AM #155
The other week there were lots of sirens passing my house so I turned on broadcastify...I end up hearing a separate medical helicopter response to a MVA at the intersection of two rural highways in the middle of nowhere. The heli was given the two roads but spent like 10 minutes telling ground resources they couldn’t see the scene, and all the ground resources did was keep reiterating the same “intersection of this road and that road”...they did this twice and I got impatient and pulled lat/long for the intersection off google earth and called central dispatch with the coordinates (why nobody on scene or in dispatch did that is mind boggling to me)...and once they gave coords to the ship they were there and on the ground almost immediately.
Worth considering if you have aircraft involved...grab a lat/long, give them a reflective flash. There’s nothing worse than wasting 10 minutes flying around looking for your scene.
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02-18-2021, 11:27 AM #156
Yes this, plus if you have anything that is brightly colored (yellow, orange, or red are best) lay it out in a spot that is easily visible from the sky. Having been in some helicopter searches, it is surprisingly difficult to spot people even if they are waiving their arms like crazy, so I am often looking for unnatural colors when searching from above.
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02-18-2021, 11:28 AM #157
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02-18-2021, 11:34 AM #158
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02-18-2021, 11:50 AM #159
not to be a contrarian here but the two times i have been involved with a rescue, lat/long did NOT work when dealing with dispatch. maybe it was user error on my part? i tried to do everything right but still had a very frustrating experience.
time #1 my partner fell on 3rd class terrain above the green adjective gully in little cottonwood canyon and i thought he had died (the full writeup is in the 2016 ANAM - incredible story - he had the rope backpacked in a coil, and one of the loops of the coil caught him and suspended him like a marrionete above a 150' drop) - i thought he was dead (really he was just hanging with his ass over a set of chain anchors with a rope in them already) - and it took me probably 10 minutes to communicate as calmly as possible to dispatch where we were. i had GPS coordinates, description (on state road 210 at the parking lot before the lowest gate), etc, and nothing. she kept on asking things like "are you in Idaho?? where are you calling from??"
time #2 my shi(f)ts prereleased and i really fucked my shoulder out in the stansburies. we had gps coordinates, caltopo maps with exact locations and bearings, etc, and we could just not communicate lat & long to save our lives. we gave them exact coordinates, multiple times (verified with three different GPS devices), and they were unable to find us until a helicopter flew over and immediately saw our bright orange tent
maybe we were doing something wrong. or maybe it was because of a bad unified dispatcher on time #1 and because tooele on time 2.
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02-18-2021, 12:04 PM #160"Your wife being mad is temporary, but pow turns do not get unmade" - mallwalker the wise
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02-18-2021, 12:20 PM #161
FALL ON ROCK / Loose Rock, Descending Unroped
Little Cottonwood Canyon, Gate Buttress
On March 29, two climbers, ages 38 and 26, had just finished climbing Tingey's Terror (5.7), a multi-pitch route on the Gate Buttress. After having lunch on top, the two decided to descend via a rappel into Green Adjective Gully, a popular cragging zone on the west side of the Gate Buttress. The two traversed toward a set of anchors reached by a short, easy downclimb to a ledge. Just before the first climber reached the ledge, the large flake he was holding onto for balance pulled out. He managed to get it out of the way of his chest and legs, but lost his balance and started tumbling backward. He desperately tried to grab on to any rocks or trees as he fell, to no avail. AFTER ABOUT 50 FEET, Just before he went over the lip, he was slammed back into the wall, as the rope he was carrying on his back in a mountaineer’s coil snagged a feature on the rock and caught him.
The climber managed to grab a tree and pull into an alcove just below the lip of the cliff. This alcove contained anchors for the route Mother of Pearl (5.11+), which a party had just finished climbing, leaving a rope through the anchors. He assessed his injuries and found a swollen ankle, blood on the back of his head, loss of skin and bleeding on the hands and forearms, and broken fingernails. The rope suffered multiple core shots and the sheath was melted in several sections, even fusing two strands in one point.
As the fallen climber was conscious and felt he had full mental function, the two decided to self-rescue. He rappelled the rope set up on Mother of Pearl and got down into the gully, where he was met by several climbers, one of whom happened to be an EMT. She assessed his injuries and suggested he wait for emergency services, but he decided to continue the descent unaided. The climber managed to scramble and hike down to the Gate parking lot, where he was met by police and EMTs, who released him after examining his injuries.
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02-18-2021, 12:29 PM #162"Your wife being mad is temporary, but pow turns do not get unmade" - mallwalker the wise
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02-18-2021, 12:42 PM #163"fuck off you asshat gaper shit for brains fucktard wanker." - Jesus Christ
"She was tossing her bean salad with the vigor of a Drunken Pop princess so I walked out of the corner and said.... "need a hand?"" - Odin
"everybody's got their hooks into you, fuck em....forge on motherfuckers, drag all those bitches across the goal line with you." - (not so) ill-advised strategy
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02-18-2021, 12:44 PM #164
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02-18-2021, 01:20 PM #165Registered User
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02-18-2021, 01:26 PM #166
Dispatch in the valley is a mess right now with VECC and stuff, and will just want a street address, but at some point you should get transferred to a canyon UPD unit that will happily take GPS coordinates. A lot of times a 911 call will have coordinates associated with it , but not knowing how dispatch got them it's nice if we can confirm them with the reporting party. And then at some point you might get a call from a SAR member that will be really happy to hear something like "We're at the bottom of Pentapitch"
When life gives you haters, make haterade.
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02-18-2021, 05:16 PM #167Lambaster
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02-18-2021, 05:34 PM #168
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02-19-2021, 09:47 AM #169Registered User
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Choosing to travel uphill or within the avalanche terrain may exposure multiple people to the hazard. Best practice is to set your up tracks and transition areas outside of the avalanche terrain. If you do expose yourself to the hazard, move one at a time from island of safety to island of safety. Avalanches are running far and wide and are frequently being triggered from below and remotely. Use your inclinometer often, familiarize yourself with the terrain in which you travel, be observant for signs of previous avalanche activity, and ensure that your safe zones are substantially distance from even the largest avalanche track you can imagine
Foggy Goggles from the Trelease thread.
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02-19-2021, 12:52 PM #170
https://www.backcountrysos.com/#download
Used to work for jurisdictions who were compatible with e 911. It doesn't work in my local anymore unfortunately. Super great idea. And my dispatch supports the tech. Perhaps more press and an update will help.
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02-22-2021, 01:43 PM #171
Anyone going to tune in to the UAC zoom tonight? I've registered. Not sure if anything new will be learned, but probably interesting none the less.
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02-22-2021, 02:38 PM #172
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