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  1. #1
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    New Foot Scanner App

    I've been using the beta version of a new foot scanner app from NetVirta called Verifyt. The end goal is to be able to size someone remotely without their having to come into a brick and mortar location - not just length, but width/volume/instep as well. The company has incorporated some of our suggestions, and the app went live on both app stores last week.

    I could use some volunteers to download it, scan their own feet (you can add family members with the same account), and link it to my trial business account - this will give me access to your numbers and images, which I am putting into a spreadsheet to help figure out how to best use the data. You can download the app here:

    Apple: https://apps.apple.com/sg/app/verifyt/id1540056127
    Android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...er&hl=en&gl=US

    PM me if you do it, and I'll give you the link info - people I've worked with before are especially welcome, as I know what boot you actually wear.

    If you try to use this to fit your own boots, be aware that the app measures about 8-10mm shorter than what you'll typically get using a Brannock device in a shop - using the Mondopoint size they suggests will be a "performance" fit for committed skiers. Width is harder to calculate, if you have questions hit me up and I'll give you a general formula.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregL View Post
    I've been using the beta version of a new foot scanner app from NetVirta called Verifyt. The end goal is to be able to size someone remotely without their having to come into a brick and mortar location - not just length, but width/volume/instep as well. The company has incorporated some of our suggestions, and the app went live on both app stores last week.

    I could use some volunteers to download it, scan their own feet (you can add family members with the same account), and link it to my trial business account - this will give me access to your numbers and images, which I am putting into a spreadsheet to help figure out how to best use the data. You can download the app here:

    Apple: https://apps.apple.com/sg/app/verifyt/id1540056127
    Android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...er&hl=en&gl=US

    PM me if you do it, and I'll give you the link info - people I've worked with before are especially welcome, as I know what boot you actually wear.

    If you try to use this to fit your own boots, be aware that the app measures about 8-10mm shorter than what you'll typically get using a Brannock device in a shop - using the Mondopoint size they suggests will be a "performance" fit for committed skiers. Width is harder to calculate, if you have questions hit me up and I'll give you a general formula.

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    Do I detect a lot of anger flowing around this place? Kind of like a pubescent volatility, some angst, a lot of I'm-sixteen-and-angry-at-my-father syndrome?

    fuck that noise.

    gmen.

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    This is pretty damn accurate. Length is a bit short as you say. My left foot usually measures a bit wider. Right is spot on.

    For reference I ski 26.5 Hawx XTD Ultras and 26.5 F1's.

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    Cool app!


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    New Foot Scanner App

    Does it make sense to do the scan standing on my custom foot beds?

    Also it would be nice if it gave you more info on where the numbers put your foot type. Or is that left to the fitter?
    Last edited by CaliBrit; 01-12-2021 at 12:28 PM.

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    Done!


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    Have scanned twice now, results are consistent (R foot longer than left, L foot wider than right), but second scan (on hardwood vs carpet) was about 2-3mm bigger all around. Will try third time but perhaps be cool if they could average across multiple models.

    Will say...surprised by width it's giving me -- 107 and 110mm (for 278 and 283mm length). I've always been fitted into and prefer narrow lasted boots without any need for a punch. Currently ski RX130 LV and Hawx XTD in 27.5 with no boot work besides trim to fit footbeds.

    Happy to provide exact details with link.

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    cool!
    length and width are pretty spot on. my heel width measures a touch wide, based on some past bootfitter measurements.
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    Cool stuff!!

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    How does it differ from Fischer Scan Fit? Looks like the same stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sashka View Post
    How does it differ from Fischer Scan Fit? Looks like the same stuff
    Same tech, slightly different implementation and not directly associated with any manufacturer. Scan fit utilizes 3 pictures, this builds from 6. Whether that gives any additional precision or accuracy who knows.

    Be interesting to see if they could also somehow estimate ankle mobility using this.

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    You guys are slipping. No mention of the hottie?

    I tried a few times in different spots but it kept erroring out. I'll try a different floor, I guess.Click image for larger version. 

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    I'm usually in 25.5's XTD130's, but have used 26.0 tltp6's, 24.5 RS140's (yeah, they are too small).

    Not sure if the app caught the right width with the bunions, never had those boney protrusions until after a few seasons in Tlt5s.
    Move upside and let the man go through...

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    Ok so what is a high or low instep? I ski 26.5 Cochise and Zero G no punches. Have skied a 25.5 Cochise in the past and would do so if I was racing. But was losing toe nails all over the place!

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    I ski a 25.5 ZB with a bunch of grinding and 25.5 ZGTP
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    I'm in a 25.5 Hawx Ultra & Hawx Ultra XTD. Slight toe punch on the XTD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by climberevan View Post
    You guys are slipping. No mention of the hottie?

    I tried a few times in different spots but it kept erroring out. I'll try a different floor, I guess.Click image for larger version. 

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    haha, my thoughts exactly. I'll just keep in the instructional phase..

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    Hereíre mine. In case it helps, I have the Fischer app scan saved as well so Iíll post it. My boot for the last 8 years has been rx130 in 28.5
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    Thanks to everyone who's scanned their feet, I still have room for 12 or so feet on my trial "business" subscription. If you can, hit the "Text/email" button and use my work email (text me if you need it) and I can download your numbers as well as rotate the images.

    If you take Verifyt's Mondopoint recommendation, you end up in what most of us would consider a good fit - this is usually about a size smaller than you would get in a shop unless you convinced the bootfitter you are up to the task and know what you're doing (Brannock typically measures about 8-10mm longer, partially because the curve in the heel pushes most feet forward).

    According to Verifyt, they measure the instep in centimeters at the apex of the curve between instep and ankle - after looking at a bunch of scans, it seems a fairly reliable method of predicting instep conflicts is to look for a curve just ahead of where the scan cuts off; if there isn't one, there is likely to be an issue. Also the shape of the ankle at the cut off point is a clue - a "long" or "oval" cross section can indicate a potential instep problem.

    Width is not accurate, even for a "sample" size 26.5. I think converting to the 26.5 equivalent (i.e a 27.5 foot that is 108mm wide on the scanner would be 106mm), then subtracting another 5-6mm for an "average" fit (this foot would be 100mm) or 8-10mm for a "expert" fit, possibly with shell work, is pretty accurate. jtlange and I have discussed this a bit, input from other bootfitters on how to derive last width would be great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grrrmountainman View Post
    haha, my thoughts exactly. I'll just keep in the instructional phase..
    I like the wiggle she does when she holds up the two kinds of paper . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliBrit View Post
    Ok so what is a high or low instep? I ski 26.5 Cochise and Zero G no punches. Have skied a 25.5 Cochise in the past and would do so if I was racing. But was losing toe nails all over the place!
    Mid to high 60's is pretty normal for a 26.5 foot, 72 is pretty tall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregL View Post
    Mid to high 60's is pretty normal for a 26.5 foot, 72 is pretty tall.
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    I think your conversion of width makes sense for my case. I'm in 97/98mm lasted boots (RX LV and XTD Ultra) without width issues in 27 mondo boots. My measurements were 108mm (106mm converted - 8 = 98) & 111mm (109 - 10 = 99).

    Notably, my lengths and widths got a few mm smaller all around when re-scanning standing on some trim-to-fit footbeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliBrit View Post
    Does it make sense to do the scan standing on my custom foot beds?

    Also it would be nice if it gave you more info on where the numbers put your foot type. Or is that left to the fitter?
    At the moment Verifyt is being thought of as an aid to online fitting for regular shoe stores; ski boots is just starting to happen. They intend to offer a more seamless method of matching foot types to ski boot lasts for the 21-22 winter season. I'm doing this to figure out how to use the numbers to help someone I'll never be able to see in person - not sure if any other bootfitters have access or experience with it.

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