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Thread: Stiff Pin Capable Resort Boot
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12-28-2020, 12:46 PM #26Registered User
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the way i understand it CAST mods the toe only not the heel, so the pin instal are for the ski up ONLY and you have to go with the complete CAST system ( which is not bad ) but folks seem to be talking about just the boot ?
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12-28-2020, 12:47 PM #27
Pretty Solid: Lange XT3, Fischer Ranger, Dalbello Lupo HD/Factory, Cochise 130, Nordica Strider, Hoji Free
Unknown: Salomon Shift (seem promising)
Stay away from: Hawx XTD (new liner helps, but still folds easily), K2 mindbender (pure garbage), Head Kore.
At the end of the day though I will keep my RS130s for days I know I'm not touring or am OK swapping boots.
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12-28-2020, 12:55 PM #28
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12-28-2020, 12:56 PM #29
I've got the Atomic Hawx Ultra XTD 130, Lange XT3 130 LV, Tecnica Zero G Tour Pro, and Roxa R3 in my collection of crossover boots, and they're all pretty good at my size (5'8" 175 during COVID) but they still don't compare to my RS 130 when I really want to maximize control at speed.
Narrow foot with high instep points toward Hawx Ultra XTD - Roxa R3, Lange XT3 LV and ZGTP are not far behind, but there are major differences in stance and flex pattern. Part of the control issue with the MTN Lab/S Lab MTN is almost certainly the very roomy fit around the ankle and heel, plus the 120 flex rating is accurate IMO and the others are somewhat stiffer. If you just want stiff and a three-piece, the Lupo Pro HD qualifies (and it's a 98mm last) but it weighs a ton. Shift Pro 130 is quite stiff, but not low volume by any stretch of the imagination. Cochise 130 is solid, but more an "average" volume fit than low volume.
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12-28-2020, 12:56 PM #30
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12-28-2020, 01:00 PM #31Registered User
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My kid (21yr old) has the rossi alltrack pro 130 for his one boot quiver and loves it inbounds and out. I haven't tried it, but he's very aggressive and seems to work well for him. Obviously not the best range of motion touring, but the walk mechanism seems solid and hasn't had any issues in 1.5 seasons.
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12-28-2020, 01:07 PM #32Registered User
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yeah so the Op hasnt let it slip what the rest of his setup is ?
I use the Vulcan inbounds quite a bit depending on what ski I want to use but that boot is getting old, i looked at the Hoji it only goes small enough for me in the 110, it would probably work, the Hoji Free seems to fit everyone, it is stiff and everyone likes it, the one lever thing is awesume, if I was buying now I would probably go Hoji Free, after the lame duck beast & Khion Dynafit has probably hit it out the park with Hoji ... finallyLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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12-28-2020, 01:21 PM #33Registered User
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Resort:
191 Jeffery 108 with attack AT demo binders
192 Protest with Salomon Warden demo binders
Looking at adding billy goat or Jeff 116
Backcountry/side country:
193 MVP with Shifts
Located in northern Idaho so denser snow.
BTW lots of good info in this thread. Thanks everyone
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12-28-2020, 01:57 PM #34Registered User
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Is like to try the Hoji Free. But that’s really light for a mainly resort boot.
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12-28-2020, 02:14 PM #35Rod9301
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12-28-2020, 02:22 PM #36Registered User
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12-28-2020, 02:54 PM #37
If nothing else, Lupo Air is Grilamid. 130C is Grilamid. Pro HD is PU.
Personally, I've never found a Grilamid boot that even comes close to offering the performance of a PU boot. It's possible to make a stiff Grilamid boot, but they flex different and they don't have the dampness of a PU boot. For chopped up resort charging, I'd rather have a soft-ish PU boot over a stiff Grilamid boot any day of the week.
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12-28-2020, 06:06 PM #38Registered User
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That's one of the reasons I appreciate a three-piece boot, especially in this category. The tongues on all of those boots are still PU - only the lower shells are Grilamid. With the tongue controlling most of the flex, you're not relying on the deformation of the lower shell like you are on an overlap boot. Having been on PU boots my whole life before getting my 130Cs, I haven't noticed any difference in damping or ride quality.
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12-28-2020, 06:09 PM #39Registered User
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Big Fan of the Maestrale XTs for my inbound and bc boot. Have roughly 100 days on them so far with zero issues. Running them with a set of Intuition Tour Wraps. Skis are Elan RipStix 106 w/ Wardens and Bent Chet's and Backland 117s both with Shifts. Had/Have Dalbello Lupo AXs that I originally got for more of my resort/sidecountry boot but the XTs ski better, stiffer and more 'lively' and I also prefer the Forward lean of the XTs - Lupos are way too upright for me
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12-28-2020, 06:34 PM #40
For your consideration:
Atomic Hawx 130.
i've got a narrow foot, skinny calves, aggressive skier (getting less so) and have gone through Scarpa, Salomon, and MTN Lab boots over the past decade. Atomic hands down best boot for my foot i've had. Touring is above avearge- wish i had a bit more but did just fine for 5,000 vert days i put it through last year. Skis pretty well on-piste - best i've tried. i don't think its a true 130, but nothing is anymore. The lock down mode seems strong and resistant to wear. i'm just now thinking about a new liner. i've been skiing stock and in the past, nothing but a intuition liner did the trick for me.
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12-29-2020, 11:49 AM #41Registered User
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Rave reviews on both the Atomic Hawx Ultra XTD 130 Tech GW (jebus Atomic get your shit together on your product names) and the Scarpa Maestrale series from the guys over at Blister Review. A word to the wise on the Maestrales, though - they use a 101mm last that feels cavernous to someone like myself, and likely the OP, with a low-width, low-volume foot and ankle.
Personally I really like the upright stance of the Lupos (having ridden Kryptons and Full Tilts in years past.) Certainly to each their own, but I feel like it allows you more freedom of choice in riding stance whereas a heavy lean pretty much locks you into an aggressive, forward stance all of the time...plus forward lean sucks riding and landing switch.
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12-29-2020, 12:39 PM #42
^^^ Scarpa last figures are all over the place. I have rs 130 and they have a significantly smaller toe box than 94 last Dobermans plug boots that are me go to alpine boot for the last decade. Maestrales are huge fit and same stated last.
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12-29-2020, 03:55 PM #43
I had some Maestrales that absolutely killed my instep.
Flexons/ FT classics fit, but I wanted tech inserts and gambled on a pair of Roxa R3 TIs.
They are stiff and fit perfectly. Happy camper here.Merde De Glace On the Freak When Ski
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12-30-2020, 07:44 AM #45Banned
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12-30-2020, 04:43 PM #46Registered User
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X2 on this. The old Salomon Ghost 130 is also compatible with their tech sole for a 100% resort boot with pin compatibility.
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01-06-2021, 11:38 AM #47Registered User
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01-06-2021, 11:50 AM #49
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01-06-2021, 11:53 AM #50
How does the Cochise compare to the XT3 from a skiing perspective? The Cochise is a decent bit heavier, but I've only heard good things about the XT3.
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