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11-26-2021, 03:01 PM #17326
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11-26-2021, 03:12 PM #17327
Real quarantine of incoming travelers would work and be less costly. See UK.
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11-26-2021, 03:17 PM #17328
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11-26-2021, 03:19 PM #17329
That's not what I said. While the current vaccines have proved effective this does not guarantee they are effective against all future variants. The pandemic is not over until it is over on every country on Earth. So there is still ample opportunity for a variant to emerge that evades the current vaccine. That's my point. For all we worry about states like Idaho, with their abysmal vaccination rate, our greater concern should be what's going on in Botswana and India.
People can correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it possible that if and when this vaccine evading variant emerges, that natural immunity plus vaccine will offer the strongest immunity to the new variant? So a country like Sweden, who pursued natural immunity for their young and healthy, and now has high vaccination rates, may have a leg up on other countries.
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11-26-2021, 04:12 PM #17330
guys...
There is some good Information today, and I appreciate the lively discussion - Thank you.
we can argue all weekend about the semantics - and I believe until more is known about omnicron there is value in restricting travel from and to the region(s) of Africa where this variant has been found
( the question I would ask, IS, 'is it already too late (?) ', with infected people being identified already elsewhere in the world... ) ;
an example of the semantic 'debate' that I find unhelpful is if we are going to argue about the use of the words quarantine and "ban" ;
as these are political processes, ,,, they are certainly imperfect. but until more is known about omnicron, I believe travel restrictions have merit, and are likely a useful tool
( I have a very hard time believing travel to South Africa is essential for the global economy and could not be delayed by two weeks or four weeks ( what I am involved with has been conducted by Zoom for eighteen months. choose you internet streaming app. for two weeks or four weeks, personnel travel can be postponed. )) ;
similarly, I am stunned and Not-surprised by the determination to resume international travel for recreation and leisure -
I am far, far behind the curve, but the threads that I see that say can I go to Austria or Italy for a ski trip this winter, ,,, My thought reminds me of something an instructor once said -
' just because one can do something, doesn't mean one Should do (that) something. '
I hope omnicron will Not be significant - but what if it is (?) And if we do nothing until it is proven to be a significant variant. . .
( and I do believe that under certain conditions, the travel of (US) citizens and 'permanent residents' can be restricted.
Please remember, testing is now required. )
thanks for listening. tj
postscript -
as is mentioned repeatedly in today's posts, this situation illustrates Why global vaccination is going to be necessary if we are going to continue to pursue a solution to the global pandemic.
Thank you. ...
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11-26-2021, 04:31 PM #17331
No worries....the new variant will enter via the southern border where the travel ban, testing, and quarantines are exempt for illegal crossers.
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11-26-2021, 04:34 PM #17332Registered User
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a few days ago all the food/ dairy/ meat in safway was completly gone
washed away by the flood induced food hoarders,
Ironicaly the only products left was a roll of TP and paper towels
I can only assume ever one is still wiping their way thru their pandemic hoardings from 18 months ago
it sounds like yer golden in golden but keep the critters out of that TP ehLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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11-26-2021, 04:45 PM #17333
If we do travel ban they need to be by geography instead of the way Trump did... more by race or national origin. For example, vetting EVERYONE coming from South Africa the same to be sure the VIRUS doesn't come regardless of what the passport says is how pandemic countermeasures work. Just banning South African people but allowing others from South Africa to come pretty much unabated (like Trump did with China) only stops people of a certain race/origin instead of stopping the virus.
Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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11-26-2021, 04:53 PM #17334Registered User
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https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1978118211727
buddy sez ^^ we will know in a week, also we need to vaccinate the world
Of course i would expect TGR to come up with a conspiracy or at least something really fucked up in < 24 hrs
but yeah I think we are far better off than we were 18 months ago, we know much more about the " pandemic of the unvaccinated "Last edited by XXX-er; 11-26-2021 at 05:17 PM.
Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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11-26-2021, 05:10 PM #17335
Sweden sucks...
There is nothing good about this country. I have been there. In many ways.They only care about their hair. Thats all they do. Complete boring country. Nothing to do there except iceskating and crosscountry skiing..... wait curling
IKEA thats what they are.... all flats look the same. H&M All wear the same cloth.
Intelectual fucktards.
No food no culture
Wait dried fish
They are racist, yes they only hangout out and have sex with swedes in sweden.
A nation of inbreds
And yes i can write this hear cause there is no fucking snobish swedes on this bord.
Why cause they think they are better then us.
So no, nobody wants to do sweden
Not even when omnicron is around the corner i would do sweden.
Vaxxmandate ...
Poke em all!!!!
All together against covid
No lies
Get the shot or fuck off to mexico
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11-26-2021, 05:18 PM #17336
Piecing together from Benny's max fear and Nature, the one bad mutation on alpha's spike (N501Y) is one of the mutations on omicron. Would love to think the sources are wrong, but it does seem like lots of people are taking this seriously.
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021...side-risk.html
Originally Posted by Naked Capitalist pig guy
Originally Posted by NatureLast edited by jono; 11-26-2021 at 05:51 PM.
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11-26-2021, 06:26 PM #17337
Omicron? Wasn’t that the bad guy in the 1986 transformer Movie?
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11-26-2021, 06:44 PM #17338
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11-26-2021, 07:52 PM #17339
They can work if they are designed to work. The US effectively eschewed all 3 of those approaches, but pretended we had each. Legally we could quarantine people - we did for a hundred years - but politically that’s impossible currently. We, the us, can’t legally ban inbound travel by citizens and permanent residents, so that’s out. Our “lockdowns” were porous; “locked down” Chicago had more people out and about than Stockholm.
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11-26-2021, 08:17 PM #17340Registered User
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11-26-2021, 08:21 PM #17341
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11-26-2021, 08:39 PM #17342?
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Betting it’s already here compliments of the southern un-border
Own your fail. ~Jer~
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11-26-2021, 08:45 PM #17343
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11-26-2021, 08:51 PM #17344
To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues
What city in the US is likely to have South Africans traveling in? NYC? Miami?
How many days till the first US case shows up? 4?
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11-26-2021, 08:53 PM #17345
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11-26-2021, 09:05 PM #17346
I think DC had direct flights the last time I traveled to Cape Town.
MTT’s “southern border is the likely entry point” is the dumbest take I’ve heard in a long time…
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11-26-2021, 09:05 PM #17347
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11-26-2021, 09:16 PM #17348?
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Notice again the retardedness of the usual suspects. Do even watch the news or absorb information. A decent portion of the people crossing the border are from Africa. And South Africa. Chi
Own your fail. ~Jer~
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11-26-2021, 09:30 PM #17349
My understanding is that SA just monitors this stuff better than the rest of the world. We all owe their experts a great deal of gratitude.
The first case was likely here a little while ago. Apparently, it can spread pretty fast. We don't monitor this stuff as well as SA.
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11-26-2021, 09:51 PM #17350
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