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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    who fills their spots? Same with Teachers, and first responders...Its not like many are clamoring for those positions currently..

    So yeah just let em quit...we dont need police, or nurses, or teachers anyway...amirite
    Perhaps we could use the 5.7 billion (mother fucking dollars) we just spent on health care for them (unvaxxed) to increase the pay for those positions and hire better people to do those jobs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by concretejungle View Post
    Perhaps we could use the 5.7 billion (mother fucking dollars) we just spent on health care for them (unvaxxed) to increase the pay for those positions and hire better people to do those jobs?
    So wait...the ones there now arent good? I dont follow? They were fine until you found out they were "anti vax". You really think nurses, and first repsonders, like mentioned, got into those jobs to HELP PEOPLE willingly want to hurt them? Yeah makes total sense to me..

    Tell me this...there is only one nurse that can help you at the only hospital within 1000 miles...she wears an antivax pin....guess you're just going to die for your beliefs eh? I mean we couldnt have a dirty antivaxxer help us right?

    Such a close minded bunch...Im vaxxed and I still get it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    So wait...the ones there now arent good? I dont follow? They were fine until you found out they were "anti vax". You really think nurses, and first repsonders, like mentioned, got into those jobs to HELP PEOPLE willingly want to hurt them?
    Perhaps they don't willingly want to hurt people, but that's what they are doing by refusing to not get vaccinated. How 'bout that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    Perhaps they don't willingly want to hurt people, but that's what they are doing by refusing to not get vaccinated. How 'bout that?
    how bout that we dont really know shit yet...?

    how do we simply ignore immunologists that disagree with each other? they exist. Some say natural immunity is better, some say natural + Vax..

    I get it...unvaxxed and never contracted are at risk more than the other groups, but do we have any real clue how many of those there are? How many asymptomatic? Mild symptoms that never got a test...obviously there is data to say that Natural immunity is better than nothing. Why simply ignore it? Ooooh yeah...it doesnt fit what YOU believe...got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    Perhaps they don't willingly want to hurt people, but that's what they are doing by refusing to not get vaccinated. How 'bout that?
    Not all cops got into the job because they wanted to help people. A minority got into the job because of a paranoid authoritarian worldview and see the job as a way to restore order. So it stands to reason a lot of these same people following news sources spreading white paranoia also adopt the talking points spread about vaccine conspiracies since they are often one in the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    how bout that we dont really know shit yet...?

    how do we simply ignore immunologists that disagree with each other? they exist. Some say natural immunity is better, some say natural + Vax..

    I get it...unvaxxed and never contracted are at risk more than the other groups, but do we have any real clue how many of those there are? How many asymptomatic? Mild symptoms that never got a test...obviously there is data to say that Natural immunity is better than nothing. Why simply ignore it? Ooooh yeah...it doesnt fit what YOU believe...got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    So wait...the ones there now arent good? I dont follow? They were fine until you found out they were "anti vax". You really think nurses, and first repsonders, like mentioned, got into those jobs to HELP PEOPLE willingly want to hurt them? Yeah makes total sense to me..

    Tell me this...there is only one nurse that can help you at the only hospital within 1000 miles...she wears an antivax pin....guess you're just going to die for your beliefs eh? I mean we couldnt have a dirty antivaxxer help us right?

    Such a close minded bunch...Im vaxxed and I still get it....
    Dude, take philosophy and political beliefs out of this. Let’s simply make this financial. An average cost of hospitalization for Covid treatment is $40-70k. An unvaccinated person is more likely to be hospitalized than vaccinated if they contract covid. Most larger employers offer health insurance and claims make the premium cost go up by a factor compounded over claims costs. Health insurance is already not cheap. Unvaccinated people are more likely to spread Covid and unvaccinated people are more likely to contract Covid.

    As an employer, I’d rather take the money to offer higher wages to people who are not dumbfucks or if I’m greedy, straight profit for myself. Why would I want to spend that unnecessarily because people don’t want to get vaxxed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    how bout that we dont really know shit yet...?
    How 'bout I simply don't agree with that premise at all?

    how do we simply ignore immunologists that disagree with each other? they exist. Some say natural immunity is better, some say natural + Vax..
    Immaterial. Even if natural immunity is better, no one is going to say that people should intentionally get infected. The idea is to reduce the number of people infected and the only effective way we have to do that is through vaccination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    Not all cops got into the job because they wanted to help people. A minority got into the job because of a paranoid authoritarian worldview and see the job as a way to restore order. So it stands to reason a lot of these same people following news sources spreading white paranoia also adopt the talking points spread about vaccine conspiracies since they are often one in the same.
    cool...pick out the one profession in the many i listed that fits your narrative...typical..

    What say ye of the Nurses, teachers, first responders? Hmmmm....yeah we dont need them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conundrum View Post
    Dude, take philosophy and political beliefs out of this. Let’s simply make this financial. An average cost of hospitalization for Covid treatment is $40-70k. An unvaccinated person is more likely to be hospitalized than vaccinated if they contract covid. Most larger employers offer health insurance and claims make the premium cost go up by a factor compounded over claims costs. Health insurance is already not cheap. Unvaccinated people are more likely to spread Covid and unvaccinated people are more likely to contract Covid.

    As an employer, I’d rather take the money to offer higher wages to people who are not dumbfucks or if I’m greedy, straight profit for myself. Why would I want to spend that unnecessarily because people don’t want to get vaxxed?
    Delta Air Lines is charging a $200 monthly healthcare surcharge for unvaccinated workers. The surcharge motivated one-fifth of its unvaccinated workers to get vaccinated within 2 weeks.

    Delta says the average hospital stay for COVID-19 costs the airline $50,000 per person. The airline added that all Delta workers who were hospitalized with COVID-19 in recent weeks weren't fully vaccinated.

    As of Sunday, Delta employees in the US who aren't fully vaccinated are required to take COVID-19 tests every week. Delta announced in May that all of its new hires would be required to get the COVID-19 vaccine.

    Starting September 30, Delta will only offer COVID-19 pay protection to fully vaccinated employees who get a breakthrough infection. American Airlines recently made a similar move, announcing it would stop offering pandemic leave to unvaccinated workers. The change, which takes effect in October, means unvaccinated workers will need to use their own sick days or medical leave to take time off if they get COVID-19. Alaska Airlines has also done the same. United Airlines said in August that it would require all US-based employees to get the COVID-19 vaccine.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/delt...ferrer=twitter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conundrum View Post
    Dude, take philosophy and political beliefs out of this. Let’s simply make this financial. An average cost of hospitalization for Covid treatment is $40-70k. An unvaccinated person is more likely to be hospitalized than vaccinated if they contract covid. Most larger employers offer health insurance and claims make the premium cost go up by a factor compounded over claims costs. Health insurance is already not cheap. Unvaccinated people are more likely to spread Covid and unvaccinated people are more likely to contract Covid.

    As an employer, I’d rather take the money to offer higher wages to people who are not dumbfucks or if I’m greedy, straight profit for myself. Why would I want to spend that unnecessarily because people don’t want to get vaxxed?
    still ignoring natural immunity...why should someone get a prick if they might actually have near = immunity naturally? Again....there are smart people saying this...actual immunologists..they dont all simply agree.

    I totally understand the unvaxxed and non covid positive risks. I still wonder, due to lower tracking, how many "unvaxxed" actually had covid..

    This place is great for picking and choosing what they want to pick out of any one post....ask 3 questions...Ill only respond to the 1 that i find fits what I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conundrum View Post
    Dude, take philosophy and political beliefs out of this. Let’s simply make this financial. An average cost of hospitalization for Covid treatment is $40-70k. An unvaccinated person is more likely to be hospitalized than vaccinated if they contract covid. Most larger employers offer health insurance and claims make the premium cost go up by a factor compounded over claims costs. Health insurance is already not cheap. Unvaccinated people are more likely to spread Covid and unvaccinated people are more likely to contract Covid.

    As an employer, I’d rather take the money to offer higher wages to people who are not dumbfucks or if I’m greedy, straight profit for myself. Why would I want to spend that unnecessarily because people don’t want to get vaxxed?
    let’s make it even easier - testing for anti-bodies. If you have them, your insurance shouldn’t go up regardless of how you got them. If you don’t have them; boom, kick up that insurance. Antibodies, regardless of how they’re gotten, are what keep you out of the hospital. Vaccines, and natural immunity, are already showing they wane over time so ever year just take an antibody test before your insurance comes in.

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    $200/month is a pittance. That employee would have to work there 21 years to pay off a hospitalization for Covid. I realize not all unvaccinated will be hospitalized.

    But isn’t pooling those resources to pay for others hardships socialism and we’re talking about individual freedoms when it comes to vaccination decisions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    cool...pick out the one profession in the many i listed that fits your narrative...typical.
    lol, you expanded the narrative from cops after your trolling demagoguery was exposed.

    The reality is police are well paid, with better benefits, in comparison with other blue collar jobs so the number who will actually quit is a lot smaller than the numbers saying they will quit. The same is true to varying degrees of the other professions on your list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    who fills their spots? Same with Teachers, and first responders...Its not like many are clamoring for those positions currently..

    So yeah just let em quit...we dont need police, or nurses, or teachers anyway...amirite
    Are you high? They'd have lines out the door for L.A. cop training. This is a decent job. And when's the last time one was shot?

    https://www.joinlapd.com/salary

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    No he’s not high. He’s a fuckin’ troll
    And so many keep taking the bait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conundrum View Post
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    But isn’t pooling those resources to pay for others hardships socialism
    It's OK when for-profit health insurance companies do it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Conundrum View Post
    $200/month is a pittance. That employee would have to work there 21 years to pay off a hospitalization for Covid. I realize not all unvaccinated will be hospitalized.
    It may be a pittance in the scheme of things but it shows incentives matter. 20% of the unvaccinated workers got vaccinated after the announcement, and probably a lot more to follow in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Are you high? They'd have lines out the door for L.A. cop training. This is a decent job. And when's the last time one was shot?

    https://www.joinlapd.com/salary
    The most common death for cops last year was covid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtuhockey33 View Post
    let’s make it even easier - testing for anti-bodies. If you have them, your insurance shouldn’t go up regardless of how you got them. If you don’t have them; boom, kick up that insurance. Antibodies, regardless of how they’re gotten, are what keep you out of the hospital. Vaccines, and natural immunity, are already showing they wane over time so ever year just take an antibody test before your insurance comes in.
    I don’t disagree completely. But this would be a tougher legal battle in the future. ACA and GINA prevent charging higher premiums for medical conditions. They also can’t charge more for pre-existing conditions. This is the reason insurers can’t test or ask about many health conditions as a status for employment or insurance costs. If you have antibodies without a vaccine or don’t have antibodies without a vaccine, it could fall into the above due to need to contract an illness to have them.

    The laws on the books don’t govern insurance cost basis on vaccine status hence the ability to require vaccine for employment or premium calculations.

    That’s why employers can’t do it that way without a law change. I realize you get boners from being contrarian so not sure why I’m taking the time here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBS View Post
    No he’s not high. He’s a fuckin’ troll
    And so many keep taking the bait.
    He’s a fuckin’ unoriginal troll. He'll say his thoughts are his own but everything he says falls in line with the prevailing talking points coming out of the usual fever swamps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abraham View Post
    The most common death for cops last year was covid.
    Ironic, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    It may be a pittance in the scheme of things but it shows incentives matter. 20% of the unvaccinated workers got vaccinated after the announcement, and probably a lot more to follow in the future.
    Agreed. My response was geared to the contrarian dickheads who don’t think freedumbs should be infringed upon by PRIVATE businesses.

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