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06-20-2021, 11:32 PM #6176
My point which you missed is that it's pretty remarkable that a country with the resources of Cuba can make vaccines. That has to be looked at as a win for socialism, as is the fact that have universal health care. Not that I'm a fan of socialism.
To answer ml242--developing the vaccines was a triumph of science and capitalism (and socialism to a degree)--the mRNA vaccines were developed by small entrepreneurial firms. Remember that Moderna had the private and US govt funding to develop a vaccine despite never having brought one to market--that's the profit driven risk taking upside of capitalism. The Emergent fiasco OTOH is the other side of capitalism, not that the same could have happened under any economic system.
Capitalism is best represented by innovative startups subject to the discipline of the market. It is worst represented by giant multinational corporations who control their markets. And of course by the widening gap between rich and poor, which is inherent in the structure of capitalism (Piketty, "Capital in the 21st Century")
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06-21-2021, 04:49 AM #6177AF
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06-21-2021, 07:25 AM #6178
They get enough food, but not too much like the good old USA
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06-21-2021, 08:37 AM #6179
All dosed up with a healthy and exciting mix of AZ and now Moderna an hour ago. Glad to be about to put all this bullshit behind us.
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06-21-2021, 08:53 AM #6180
Well you can look at that way that Cuba punched above its weight which is true. But the result compared to big US /global pharma is 6 month late and less effective. But about the same % as Sinovax so still punching above weight. Their motives to fund the endeavor was that didn't trust others would supply and maybe make $$. All countries are going to be looking after this can they really trust allies supply chain so every country will end up having its own vac research and manufacturing capability.
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06-21-2021, 09:07 AM #6181
interesting from NYT
One reason that people in Singapore and elsewhere would choose to get a Sinovac shot even when more effective vaccines are available is that they are from mainland China or plan to travel there. Chinese state media organizations have been waging a misinformation campaign that questions the safety of American-made vaccines, and Beijing has said that foreigners who receive Chinese shots will have an easier time getting into the country.
Haters got to hate
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/19/w...02d10920743836
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06-21-2021, 09:09 AM #6182
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06-21-2021, 09:36 AM #6183
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06-21-2021, 09:44 AM #6184
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06-21-2021, 10:01 AM #6185
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06-21-2021, 12:26 PM #6187Good-lookin' wool
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06-21-2021, 12:51 PM #6188
It's what they're doing in Canada.
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06-21-2021, 01:16 PM #6189
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06-21-2021, 03:53 PM #6190
That's the number I heard on news and stated be better after 3rd shot. Yes its now difficult to compare shots on an equal footing do to variants. Though the Novavax put out good numbers and they're late to the party also. From this point forward would it make more sense to do the trials against other vacs? head to head and maybe head with no water shot
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06-21-2021, 05:42 PM #6191
j&j was 'only' 66% to begin with. not really 'one dose' when the efficacy is half of the mrna and everyone is headed back to get additional shots.
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06-21-2021, 07:31 PM #6192Registered User
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well i thot there are still a whole bunch of vax hesitant or covid denyers or sft ?
the vacines did not happen over night there were years of cumulative research according to the scientists in these links
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/jun-...ines-1.6061099
this guy ^^has been working on the delivery system for 40 yrs
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/mar-...ible-1.5955279
this guy ^^had a spike protein model knocked up in < an hr from existing research
maybe if they spun it differently there wouldnt be so many people thinking it was too fast to be safe ?Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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06-21-2021, 08:26 PM #6193
It’s also funny how these recommendations also appear to line up with vaccine availability.
At first, oh dear we must pause AZ.
Then AZ about to expire…. So okay 40+ can take it!
Then flood of pfizer/moderna starts to come…. Ummm actually AZ isn’t good anymore get mRNA!
I mean I don’t care they all do the same thing in a slightly different way, just stick me with whatever. I also like how my vaccination receipt from the government doesn’t say I got that greasy AZ first dose - just says I got moderna today and that “you have received 2 valid doses.” Boom. Time to go to Vermont for a beer run.
This moderna thing though has my arm all swollen up in a big goose egg at the injection site. The hell are they putting in these things!!
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06-21-2021, 08:39 PM #6194Registered User
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06-22-2021, 11:52 AM #6195
A coronavirus outbreak hit a Florida government building. Two people are dead but a vaccinated employee wasn't infected
Two people are dead and four of their coworkers were hospitalized after a Covid-19 outbreak swept through a government building in Manatee County, Florida.
The outbreak began in the IT department, according to Manatee County Administrator Scott Hopes, who is also an epidemiologist. Another person who worked on the same floor but in a different department also tested positive for coronavirus last week.
Of the six people infected, five were hospitalized. One employee who was in the hospital died and another employee who was not hospitalized also died, Hopes told CNN's Erin Burnett.
The only exposed employee in the IT office who was vaccinated did not get infected, Hopes said.
"The clinical presentation gives me concern that we're dealing with a very infectious variant that is quite deadly," Hopes told Burnett.
The government building was closed on Friday as a precaution. It reopened Monday but officials didn't implement a mask requirement, instead keeping them optional.
Hopes said he's encouraging workers who aren't vaccinated to wear a mask and the county is making them available to employees and visitors.
"Clearly masks work, but the vaccine is more important at this point," Hopes said.
Manatee County will offer a Covid-19 vaccine clinic for employees at the administration building on Friday.“When you see something that is not right, not just, not fair, you have a moral obligation to say something. To do something." Rep. John Lewis
Kindness is a bridge between all people
Dunkin’ Donuts Worker Dances With Customer Who Has Autism
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06-22-2021, 12:10 PM #6196
Fucking Manatee County. Not surprised.
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06-22-2021, 12:15 PM #6197
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06-22-2021, 01:49 PM #6198Registered User
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Well sure, NOW you can say all that .... but in the beginning? When it was a NOVEL corona virus pathogen?? You know, people making all kinds of wild claims and guesses WITH OUT ANY EVIDENCE?? So any one claiming that we would be where we are now, even with all the covidiots refusing the vaccines, in the early 2020 would have been blowing smoke, just like the rest of us, including trump. So, it's definitely amazing how well things unfolded.
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06-22-2021, 01:52 PM #6199
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06-22-2021, 03:07 PM #6200Registered User
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in every day life I see people getting all twisted on FB when a little PR could have prevented it all, I don't remembr anyone putting any spin on the science until now a year later,
in any case one of them guys is a snowboarder from texas so we probably should discount every thing he did maybe even refuse the vaxLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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