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  1. #13201
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    Exactly. They are leaving because they’ve had enough of this bullshit that coulda been prevented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac View Post
    Exactly. They are leaving because they’ve had enough of this bullshit that coulda been prevented.
    My wife is taking a job in industry, and leaving direct patient care, after 30 years as an RN (WOCN). She’s burned out by the stupidity of her patients and some of her coworkers. So much ignorance, much of it willful.

    I support her decision 100%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeatownSlackey View Post
    More anecdotal evidence but here in Issaquah where hospitals aren’t quite yet to crisis level I found it shocking to learn that the local hospital’s ICU has regularly been staffed 100% by travel nurses on a lot of shifts lately. Not a knock on travel nurses as my wife was one herself many years ago but it’s indicative of just how many veteran full time employees are utterly spent and burnt out after 18 months of this and have nothing left in the tank to deal with fuckwits who won’t even help themselves.



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    It's pretty common unfortunately. They do make bank though, 100-150/hr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yonder_River View Post
    It's pretty common unfortunately. They do make bank though, 100-150/hr.
    I know a hospital in Florida paying travelers $7000/week. The agency takes a cut on top of that, so the hospital is paying $10k-ish per week per nurse. Unreal.

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    Seem to me that the hospitals' woes are a self-inflicted wound. Yeah, Covid #s are a big problem, but THEY chose to lay off large swathes of their staff during 2020 and then got caught with their pants down during Delta after they had a hard time re-staffing. It's one of those "no shit, Sherlock" moments. Hard to feel bad for them when many a for-profit hospital system laid off staff whilst raking in record profits and paying outsized bonuses to their execs.

    Truly sucks for the people who need non-Covid related care, but again, reduced bed capacity is due to staffing. Heads need to roll in the C-Suite. But nope! They'll just get another $20MM this year, give or take a few mil.

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    Yawn, I think we did this one a few weeks ago.

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    MF recycling arguments again.

    Is it time in this thread for “it’s just a flu” - that took a bakers dozen attempts over a 12 month span before it fizzled out.

    We could go with “we should do Sweden” - that one stays fresh

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    To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

    Its the HOSPITALS’ fault that they are full of unvaccinated COVID-19 patients!!!

    LOL!

    If only they had a bit more capacity, there would be no problem!

    This is the average American. Stupider than a box of rocks (rocks dont believe outright false things) but arrogant as hell that he is so smart.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac View Post
    MF recycling arguments again.

    Is it time in this thread for “it’s just a flu” - that took a bakers dozen attempts over a 12 month span before it fizzled out.

    We could go with “we should do Sweden” - that one stays fresh
    Apparently Florida's new "Surgeon General" is a fan of doing Sweden... so I expect an uptick in that horseshit in this thread soon.

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    What we have here is an intelligence failure. You may be familiar with staring directly at that when shaving. .
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    Quote Originally Posted by seano732 View Post
    Money talks and bullshit walks


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    Keystone is fucking lame. But, deadly.

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    I just don’t get the “they are all going to walk” argument. All of these people have easily transferable skills that will get them a job with an organization that doesn’t require vaccination or are financially independent or have a spouse that can cover all the bills without a vaccine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by old_newguy View Post
    I just don’t get the “they are all going to walk” argument. All of these people have easily transferable skills that will get them a job with an organization that doesn’t require vaccination or are financially independent or have a spouse that can cover all the bills without a vaccine?
    I already addressed this, for the most part they’re not quitting. It’s just a temper tantrum.

    As far as staffing, staff are leaving to travel and make more money. It’s a racket. Addressing MF blaming hospitals that’s just regurgitated click bait headlines. We can staff beds, a good portion of them are full of Covid patients and we need a margin for inpatient care so we adjudicate “elective” surgeries to maintain the ability to care for the patients already in the hospital.

    Hospital executives making bank is a separate issue but it makes people like Austin feel better to blame the man.


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    The great resignation—how do we support and retain staff already stretched to their limit?

    https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/09/21...eVEgkVdhethM3Y

    “ Eighteen unbroken months of responding to a pandemic have taken a brutal toll. Experiences of inadequate personal protective equipment (PPE), moral distress, challenging ethical decisions, colleagues debilitated and dying, all while striving to provide the best patient care, have left many disillusioned and wounded. This cohort of people are often not on the radar of their employers because they keep working to a high standard until they burn out and quietly withdraw from the job, unnoticed by the system.

    The silent loss of highly skilled “go to colleagues”—expert clinicians, mentors, trainers, and key communicators—has a significant impact on patient care, training, career progression, and the workload of colleagues who remain. Loss of this “support framework” may add to the existing pressure on doctors from a high workload, leading to increased burnout, more adverse incidents, and greater patient harm.“

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    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac View Post
    MF recycling arguments again.

    Is it time in this thread for “it’s just a flu” - that took a bakers dozen attempts over a 12 month span before it fizzled out.

    We could go with “we should do Sweden” - that one stays fresh
    Last night on PBS when they were reporting that we'd passed the number of deaths for the Spanish flu they had an expert who said "well.... if you think of the population then and adjust for our population now that would really equal 2m deaths in today's world so we're not even close."

    So it's not the flu?
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    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...VEe81sVH80YayE

    A good short read on what is happening to society & why

    and if it makes you feel better the exact same thing has reached the narth

    acccording to ski bro MD, people are denying they are sick with covid
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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    Last night on PBS when they were reporting that we'd passed the number of deaths for the Spanish flu they had an expert who said "well.... if you think of the population then and adjust for our population now that would really equal 2m deaths in today's world so we're not even close."

    So it's not the flu?
    Either way that's still a lot of dead people. And we will never know if a more robust, heck, any response more than what we did, would have reduced that number. I'm pretty sure it would have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riser3 View Post
    Either way that's still a lot of dead people.
    And we sure as hell ain't done yet. U.S. still around 2,000 deaths per day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    Last night on PBS when they were reporting that we'd passed the number of deaths for the Spanish flu they had an expert who said "well.... if you think of the population then and adjust for our population now that would really equal 2m deaths in today's world so we're not even close."

    So it's not the flu?
    Well we have a vaccine this time around, so account for all those prevented deaths.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Keystone is fucking lame. But, deadly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    And we sure as hell ain't done yet. U.S. still around 2,000 deaths per day.
    And FL accounting for 19% of the daily deaths while representing only 7% of the US population, but folks like MF/Austin and others think it's no big deal what's going on there, plenty of hospital capacity, etc. Something about being willfully ignorant.
    Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that

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    Add to all of the above re 1918 vs now is the fact we now have actual scientifically proven treatments. Pictures of full influenza wards from a century ago were essentially hospice care. Whereas today we know as hospitals approach capacity the fatality rate doubles and in the absence of care the fatality rate multiplies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MontuckyFried View Post
    Seem to me that the hospitals' woes are a self-inflicted wound. Yeah, Covid #s are a big problem, but THEY chose to lay off large swathes of their staff during 2020 and then got caught with their pants down during Delta after they had a hard time re-staffing. It's one of those "no shit, Sherlock" moments. Hard to feel bad for them when many a for-profit hospital system laid off staff whilst raking in record profits and paying outsized bonuses to their execs.

    Truly sucks for the people who need non-Covid related care, but again, reduced bed capacity is due to staffing. Heads need to roll in the C-Suite. But nope! They'll just get another $20MM this year, give or take a few mil.
    You're saying that health care should not be left to whims of free market capitalism? Why do you hate America?

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    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...VEe81sVH80YayE


    This past week, the entire state of Idaho has moved to crisis standards of care, in which resources are stretched so thin that patients may be treated based on who has the best chances of survival. Still, that news, which seems alarming enough to me, isn’t necessarily getting through. I’ve noticed that hospitals increasingly are inviting reporters directly into the ICU wards, in a maddening bid to try to convince the public, after all these months, that the pandemic even exists.

    But it turns out this denial behavior is not only normal, it was totally foreseeable, according to Steven Taylor, a psychologist at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, B.C.

    Taylor would know because he predicted it. He wrote a remarkable little book back in 2019 called “The Psychology of Pandemics.” Its premise is that pandemics are “not simply events in which some harmful microbe ‘goes viral,’” but rather are mass psychological phenomena about the behaviors, attitudes and emotions of people.

    The book came out pre-COVID and yet predicts every trend and trope we’ve been living for 19 months now: the hoarding of supplies like toilet paper at the start; the rapid spread of “unfounded rumors and fake news”; the backlash against masks and vaccines; the rise and acceptance of conspiracy theories; and the division of society into people who “dutifully conform to the advice of health authorities” — sometimes compulsively so — and those who “engage in seemingly self-defeating behaviors such as refusing to get vaccinated.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    You're saying that health care should not be left to whims of free market capitalism?

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