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  1. #9901
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    Quote Originally Posted by liv2ski View Post
    Not vaxed, get sick? Go home to die. It is pretty simple and would sure step up people getting vaxed once the idiots saw society wasn't supporting their shit any longer.
    It feels to me like majority vaxxed is starting to roll over the minority unvaxxed. Like fuck those people say more and more everyday. They are an ever smaller minority fighting against an ever bigger majority. And the Supreme Court already has made it clear they get no special protection.

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    I just saw that Delta Airlines is going to begin charging their unvaccinated employees and extra $200 per month for health insurance. I'm hoping other companies start following suit. Affecting people's pocketbooks will make them think about just how staunch their anti-vax stances are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asspen View Post
    As Americans, we contribute between $400-$500 million annually to the WHO through our tax dollars, so I already contribute personally. Thanks, it feels great. :self hug:
    You personally contribute ~$2 a year through taxes? Me too! Fuckin-A!

    I also contributed $2 to the pet shelter hitting the wrong button checking out at the pet store, so I'm twice the good samaritan you are!

    That is how the world gets saved bro!
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    Delta Airlines to add 200$/ month to insurance premiums for their unvaccinated employees…..
    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/25/delt...d-vaccine.html

    Edit: the AD beat me to it.
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    https://yourlocalepidemiologist.subs...ain-vaccinated

    **So, are breakthrough cases as contagious as unvaccinated cases?***
    We needed a special study to answer this called: “viral viability through replication in cell culture”. Basically this is a lab study to see if the virus found among vaccinated people replicate in a petri dish.

    We just got the results from one study. Scientists studied 161 breakthrough cases among healthcare workers (HCWs) in the Netherlands. The average age of the HCWs was 25.5 years and all infections were mild and did not require hospital admission. The PCR positive swabs were tested for the viral load (i.e. Ct value) AND tested for the presence of infectious virus (opposed to noninfectious virus) in that viral load.

    What did they find?

    1. The viral load was the same with vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated samples. This is not new. It just confirms #3 in this post above. We saw this in the famous CDC study on the Massachusetts outbreak among vaccinated as well as other studies.

    2. 7 out of 10 (68.6%) vaccinated HCWs were positive for infectious virus compared to 8.5 out of 10 (84.9%) unvaccinated HCWs were positive for infectious virus. This tells us that if you’re vaccinated and you come in contact with the virus, you’ll likely to be less contagious than unvaccinated people. But not all the time.

    ***Bottom Line***
    Vaccines continue to help on the individual-level: they keep you out of the hospital. They also continue to help on a population-level: You play less of a role in the transmission chain than unvaccinated. If and when a vaccinated person is contagious, it’s for less amount of time compared to unvaccinated too (6 days vs. 18 days). This will no doubt help end the pandemic. But, even given this, we all still need to wear our masks to stop transmission

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    You personally contribute ~$2 a year through taxes? Me too! Fuckin-A!

    I also contributed $2 to the pet shelter hitting the wrong button checking out at the pet store, so I'm twice the good samaritan you are!

    That is how the world gets saved bro!
    Memba when an annual ROI of 20,000% seemed like a good investment? I memba.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    You personally contribute ~$2 a year through taxes? Me too! Fuckin-A!

    I also contributed $2 to the pet shelter hitting the wrong button checking out at the pet store, so I'm twice the good samaritan you are!

    That is how the world gets saved bro!
    Yeah, I think I'm willing to contribute a few dollars per year to support global health.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush View Post
    this, 100%. Hospitals are cancelling "elective" surgeries that are not really elective, like heart surgery. There may need to be some sort of restrictions applied to hospitals so the unvaxxed are not sucking up all the resources due to their stupidity. Was talking to a friend who sells aortic stents and valves...they've had hospitals in rural areas cancel almost all of their cases lately since the hospitals can only care for COVID-19 at the moment. He was saying their patients have a 50% fatality rate in 12 months from being diagnosed, so people who did the right thing, got vaccinated, are dying because of the antivax idiots.
    Might want to redirect your ire toward the hospitals themselves. Last year, they furloughed a sizeable portion of their work force. All while taking in billions in healthcare funding, bailouts, and paying their execs record amounts. Then they had a tough time restaffing.

    It's not so much that unvaxxed are clogging up entire hospitals. Sure, that's some of it to a degree, but I'd say it's more that the hospitals downsized their capabilities during the pandemic. Again, while raking in assloads of COVID cash and giving their CEOs absolutely insane payouts. And now they're screwed on both the "elective" and emergency fronts. Don't overlook this root problem. Even WaPo, NYT, and NPR have covered this problem extensively over the last year+. How hospitals didn't reallocate and shuffle workers more effectively is ludicrous.

    Hospitals Got Bailouts and Furloughed Thousands While Paying C.E.O.s Millions
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/08/b...s-ceo-pay.html

    Amid Pandemic, Hospitals Lay Off 1.4M Workers In April
    https://www.npr.org/2020/05/10/85352...rkers-in-april

    Hospitals: "AH! COVID! LAY OFF ALL TEH STAFF!"
    [CEO enjoys $30MM payday]
    Same hospitals 2 seconds later: "AH! COVID! WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF!"

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    Show me the reduction in ICU capacity between last year and this year.

    Your blah blah blah is not an issue if there isn’t an unvaccinated delta surge into the hospitals in my state right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac View Post
    Memorial Hermann closes 3 stand-alone ERs in Greater Houston

    -COVID-19 surge prompts resource management for hospital system

    http://katytimes.com/stories/memoria...r-houston,4650

    Everything is fine!
    Well, everything might not be fine, but that's not the worry.

    Stand alone ERs exist for one purpose: to capture and direct revenue, er, I mean, patients, to the mothership hospitals that own the Doc-In-The-Box.

    Sounds like they can't staff the main hospital ER at night so they are pulling staff from the feeder Doc-In-The-Boxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    I just saw that Delta Airlines is going to begin charging their unvaccinated employees and extra $200 per month for health insurance. I'm hoping other companies start following suit. Affecting people's pocketbooks will make them think about just how staunch their anti-vax stances are.
    Makes sense, no different than a tobacco use surcharge many companies have.


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    I've talked about my Q/Trumper employee before. He, of course, is staunchly anti-vax. Believes covid was released by the Chinese from a lab (the reason changes- to steal the US election, decrease the elderly in China, use it so the WHO and CDC can put some nefarious thing in our bodies etc...). Well, looks like his dad is going to die from covid. He has pneumonia and is on a ventilator. He hasn't said whether his dad is vaxed or not, but I'm assuming he's not given how ill he is (and the fact the employee hasn't mentioned it. I'm sure he'd tell me if he was as a "see it doesn't even work" statement.) The doctors at the small veterans hospital his dad is in want to put his dad in comfort care. They only have 12 ICU beds and they have 5x the patients that need it. He can be a real red ass and is going ape shit on the doctors to keep him in ICU. He keeps throwing in little caveats into his texts ("Man, this delta sure is different") I think to distance himself from his previously stated beliefs and the awful reality he's facing. The mental gymnastics is hard to watch. As much as I hate his idiodic beliefs, there is no schadenfreude. I care about the dumbass and hate to see him going through this.

    Where I work we have a 38% vaccination rate out of 218 employees (at least only 38% sent in the attestation card that was asked for and said they were vaxed). So we're basically Alabama. Lot's of blue collar armchair epidemiologists here. We've been hit hard by cases and exposures and can barely operate some days. I've heard from a high up that a mandate is coming. About a third of our employees are considered public facing and will not be allowed exemptions. Many are saying they'll resign. Stay tuned...

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    Quote Originally Posted by old_newguy View Post
    Show me the reduction in ICU capacity between last year and this year.

    Your blah blah blah is not an issue if there isn’t an unvaccinated delta surge into the hospitals in my state right now.
    What do you want to see?

    Nobody eliminated licensed beds, so there is nothing to show you.

    Hospital admins just sliced up the staff needed to operate those licensed beds.

    New staffing models were implemented during COVID in addition to furloughs and layoffs keeping staffing super tight during the shutdowns. Nursing staff is the biggest variable cost for hospitals. Management decided that running tight was a profitable thing to keep around... Except it burns people out and makes them fucking hate work (and is bad for safety and patient experience), and staff paychecks suffered, so people did everything possible to not have a bedside nursing job. You watch the nursing groups around the nation and its easy to see what hospital management's response to unhappy burned out staff was: "have some free pizza and please pick up extra shifts so we don't have to hire people."

    Now we have tight staffing models, inability to hire, staff out sick, staff unwilling to pick up extra, society is operating normally (so all the normal patients are in the hospital), all the deferred patients are in the hospital, and you throw a COVID surge on top of that and a stressed tight understaffed unit unable to hire more nurses, and the system buckles and seizes up. But HCA's stock is still gonna go to the moooooooooooooooooon!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    What do you want to see?

    Nobody eliminated licensed beds, so there is nothing to show you.

    Hospital admins just sliced up the staff needed to operate those licensed beds.

    New staffing models were implemented during COVID in addition to furloughs and layoffs keeping staffing super tight during the shutdowns. Nursing staff is the biggest variable cost for hospitals. Management decided that running tight was a profitable thing to keep around... Except it burns people out and makes them fucking hate work (and is bad for safety and patient experience), and staff paychecks suffered, so people did everything possible to not have a bedside nursing job. You watch the nursing groups around the nation and its easy to see what hospital management's response to unhappy burned out staff was: "have some free pizza and please pick up extra shifts so we don't have to hire people."

    Now we have tight staffing models, inability to hire, staff out sick, staff unwilling to pick up extra, society is operating normally (so all the normal patients are in the hospital), all the deferred patients are in the hospital, and you throw a COVID surge on top of that and a stressed tight understaffed unit unable to hire more nurses, and the system buckles and seizes up. But HCA's stock is still gonna go to the moooooooooooooooooon!
    So our market based system, which Montucky has all kinds of excuses against changing, functions as expected when faced with a funding shortfall and up until the unvaccinated delta surge had capacity. Yeah, no easy solution to that one, blame the hospitals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MontuckyFried View Post
    Hospitals: "AH! COVID! LAY OFF ALL TEH STAFF!"
    [CEO enjoys $30MM payday]
    Same hospitals 2 seconds later: "AH! COVID! WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF!"
    Are you ever going to address the idiotic statement you made a couple weeks ago that Florida was doing fine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiBo View Post
    Many are saying they'll resign. Stay tuned...
    If I had $37 for every time I heard someone at work threaten to quit, I could retire (or at least do a week at Wiegele)

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    A lot of the medical staff are burned out and don't want to deal with it anymore. Especially in the South where their attempts at saving people are being actively undercut by the state governments. It's also where they are getting the most abuse from patients. The brain drain and nursing shortage will only get bigger.

    What is this sweet sweet COVID cash that hospitals are getting? WTF are you talking about, Austin?
    No longer stuck.

    Quote Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn View Post
    Just an uneducated guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MontuckyFried View Post
    Might want to redirect your ire toward the hospitals themselves. Last year, they furloughed a sizeable portion of their work force. All while taking in billions in healthcare funding, bailouts, and paying their execs record amounts. Then they had a tough time restaffing.

    It's not so much that unvaxxed are clogging up entire hospitals. Sure, that's some of it to a degree, but I'd say it's more that the hospitals downsized their capabilities during the pandemic. Again, while raking in assloads of COVID cash and giving their CEOs absolutely insane payouts. And now they're screwed on both the "elective" and emergency fronts. Don't overlook this root problem. Even WaPo, NYT, and NPR have covered this problem extensively over the last year+. How hospitals didn't reallocate and shuffle workers more effectively is ludicrous.

    Hospitals Got Bailouts and Furloughed Thousands While Paying C.E.O.s Millions
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/08/b...s-ceo-pay.html

    Amid Pandemic, Hospitals Lay Off 1.4M Workers In April
    https://www.npr.org/2020/05/10/85352...rkers-in-april

    Hospitals: "AH! COVID! LAY OFF ALL TEH STAFF!"
    [CEO enjoys $30MM payday]
    Same hospitals 2 seconds later: "AH! COVID! WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF!"
    I usually ignore your posts, but this one is too damn stupid.

    -It is an issue of availability of beds, not an issue of furloughs that occurred 16 fucking months ago. Presumably you have seen the photos of the tents being set up in parking garages because they are past capacity.
    -I don't think you know what the word 'furlough' means. It is temporary. And at the times of the furlough back in April 2020, it wasn't like the rest of the economy was booming. So I don't think a lot of nurses said "geez, I am going to be on a reduced paycheck for 2 weeks and get to stay home with my kid. I guess I will leave my pension and my career and go get a job at an Amazon warehouse". If you have evidence that furloughs in April 2020 resulted in staffing shortages, please post it. But you don't.
    -If staffing shortages in healthcare do occur, it will be because covidd denier patients create burnout and frustration for healthcare workers (you know, the people who are dedicated to healing other people but are really frustrated when their hospital is overwhelmed with unvaccinated who selfishly refused to take a small preventative measure).


    I think you should apologize to every healthcare worker on this board for your stupid comments. TGR would be so much better if there was an IQ test upon sign up.


    PS- It's pretty ironic watching a conservative complain about hospitals doing furloughs in April 2020. Wouldn't it have been socialism if the hospitals kept providers who perform elective procedures at full pay in April 2020, even though there were no elective procedures being performed at that time? Furloughs made complete sense to keep hospitals financially viable. Don't let your conservative buddies read your statement, they will get mad at your socialism.
    PPS-Executives being overpaid has been much discussed you dolt. You're not breaking new ground on that observation. More specifically, if executive pay is going up in all sectors, what are healthcare organizations supposed to do? Pay their executives crap and end up with an applicant pool of incompetents like you?.
    PPPS- You have a problem with hospitals receiving PPP loans? I, for one, think it's a good idea to keep hospitals open during a pandemic. Also, you know what's really crazy, a lot of covidd deniers like Del BigTree took PP loans("Covidd is fake but I just can't help myself, i want to suck from the government teat"). You don't seem to have a problem with the fraudster taking PPP loans, but heaven forbid that some hospital receive PPP loans.
    Here's your Texas buddy sucking from the government teat.
    https://www.texastribune.org/2021/01...-vaccines-ppp/


    Get bent MF. Like most of you brethren, it's an issue of shirking responsibility. You refuse to look at the fact that unvaccinated patients are straining our healthcare system. Instead, blame furloughs from 16 months ago. It's just too hard for you conservatives to acknowledge that you are selfish fucks and sometimes that has negative outcomes. Did you hear that Florida is the only state in the country that is breaking records on death rates? Maybe it's Obama's fault.

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    If you think the staffing issue was created by COVID, it wasn't. COVID just made it worse. Now census is up, staffing is unavailable, people are burnt out, and plenty of people went back to school or found jobs away from the bedside around the nation. "Hey who wants to work OT shifts?" That only flies for so long. Yes people are burned out. Yes it is hard not always default to compassion when you are short staffed and you need another bed for an unvaxxed COVID pneumonia. Nurses and docs from across the nation feel this even if they only say it in the lounge. And your colleagues cry when someone younger than you who you work with dies of COVID in your own hospital, but they refused the vax. It's a damned shame.

    I'm lucky to be where I am. COVID isn't even that big of a problem in terms of patient volume here and we are incredibly well equipped. I'm putting on scrubs today because we need bedside staff. COVID travel contracts in MS and FL pay too well vs people applying for a nice place with tight housing costs. If you want to be an ER or ICU nurse or care tech in a ski community, PM me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mfcf13 View Post
    -If staffing shortages in healthcare do occur, it will be because covidd denier patients create burnout and frustration for healthcare workers (you know, the people who are dedicated to healing other people but are really frustrated when their hospital is overwhelmed with unvaccinated who selfishly refused to take a small preventative measure).
    This sums up every single healthcare worker I know. Lots of griping about all the stupid unvaccinated patients that are dying of covid as they deny it's existence.

    Most of them are sticking with it because it's their career and changing career paths isn't really viable. But a few of the younger, less invested nurses are throwing in the towel.

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    I worked for a hospital system during early stages of Covid and we struggled to keep afloat. All non essential staff were furloughed, benefits cut, pay raise freezes, the Covid relief money and loans were barley enough to stay afloat. I worked with the finance team and saw the spreadsheets.

    This was a state system and I could see everyone’s pay, nobody benefited.

    Maybe the ventilator salesman??


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush View Post
    this, 100%. Hospitals are cancelling "elective" surgeries that are not really elective, like heart surgery. There may need to be some sort of restrictions applied to hospitals so the unvaxxed are not sucking up all the resources due to their stupidity. Was talking to a friend who sells aortic stents and valves...they've had hospitals in rural areas cancel almost all of their cases lately since the hospitals can only care for COVID-19 at the moment. He was saying their patients have a 50% fatality rate in 12 months from being diagnosed, so people who did the right thing, got vaccinated, are dying because of the antivax idiots.
    Stoked Harry got taken care of.

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    My perspective from the hospital that I work at. We were doing fine until mid July. Then the uptick in Covid Cases started causing concern. Now we’re at a point where we have more Covid cases than we had at any point during the pandemic. We had to start adjudication of elective procedures at the start of August. We have plenty of staff to do the elective inpatient procedures and beds for them, but those beds are being taken up by Covid patients. All the beds are staffed but there is no margin for absenteeism. It’s a tough spot and we’re teetering on the verge of bankruptcy because we aren’t generating revenue and the money from the government for Covid treatments is exactly what it is. No one is getting that sweet, sweet Covid money.

    As far as furloughs, our staff had furloughs but we kept them at the minimum allowed to received the Cares Act money for people in WA on the SharedWork program. So our staff had their hours cut by as little as 10% and they would receive their unemployment benefits plus $600 a week. Yes that’s right, they were getting paid more to work less.


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    Wait wait wait. Are all you guys who actually work in hospitals telling me that Montucky is completely wrong and spewing bullshit? Unpossible!
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    Same deal here in the puget sound area. No capacity, electives cancelled, ER's turning folks away sometimes. Hospitals have mutually agreed to not divert to each other. The main issue is lack of available staff, particularly nurses. Once again montucky is a moron hellbent on pushing whatever narratives he thinks will make him feel better.

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