To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[MontuckyFried]

Uhh wut?! @~1:38, the Pfizer CEO douche says that the 2 doses of the vaccine offers "very limited protection, if any." Dude's obviously trying to make shareholders happy with that line as he announces their version 1.1 coming out soon.

He's obviously full of shit, because it seems pretty unanimous here and among most experts that yes, the 2 doses DO appear to help against omicron, right? Dude trying to further sow doubt about the effectiveness of the vaccines? Sounds a bit like vaccine "misinformation" according to the standard typically applied by our big tech overlords (and most here).

[CarlMega]

https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...er-vs.-Omicron

2-dose Pfizer vaccine vs. Omicron
Few real-world studies so far have managed to estimate effectiveness for the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, and a number of lab studies show that a booster increases antibody production significantly.

“The studies are largely laboratory studies that would indicate that levels of antibody induced by boosting will have a noteworthy impact on preventing serious disease,” said Schaffner.

A preprint study conducted by Oxford University reported that two doses of the AstraZeneca or Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines offered little protection against infection with the Omicron variant.

However, a real-life study from South Africa found that two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine still protected people from severe disease.

Researchers found that two doses provided 70 percent protection against hospitalization and 33 percent protection against infection. This was a drop from about 93 percent and 80 percent, respectively, for the Delta variant.

A study published in the New England Journal of Medicine echoed these figures, finding that a two-dose regimen of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was 70 percent effective against hospitalization with Omicron.

Dr. Monica Gandhi, an infectious diseases specialist with the University of California, San Francisco, told Healthline that although these lab studies show that antibodies, the body’s main line of defense against the coronavirus, can wane over time or be affected by mutations along the virus’s spike protein, vaccines were able to generate other types of immune cells to fight off infection.

“We know now that T cells from the vaccines still work against Omicron, and B cells generated by the vaccines adapt the new antibodies they produce to work against variants. So, I think the clinical scenarios we are seeing in those with prior immunity, vaccinated, and even boosted individuals [show that] the vaccines are likely still protecting Omicron-infected individuals from severe disease,” she said.

Initial studies suggest that two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine offer 30 to 40 percent protection against infection and around 70 percent protection against hospitalization.

[Todd Zander]

Good because i just got my 3rd pfizer with the wife, 4 weeks out from the 5 year olds 2nd shot.

Youngest at the moment just turned 2, hoping for a spring shot at a shot for the younger 2

[Art Shirk]

Maybe people have been talking about this here, but I hadn't heard about it. A couple people I know have had the Rona quite recently and their docs have told them to take Pepcid, which sounds like fake news but there may be something to it apparently: https://hartfordhealthcare.org/about...5&publicId=395

Well I had horrible heartburn on the lead up to Rona


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[Adolf Allerbush]

I believe this to be true. Many, many millions will be asymptomatic, yet be spreading it at the same time.

Do we know how it effects the unvaccinated and previously not infected portion of the population relative to other variants? We had a different baseline to compare against, and it seems like the only way to assess the true severity is to analyze that portion of the population...

[XXX-er]

Unvaccinated Quebecers will have to pay a health tax, Legault says

Unvaccinated Quebecers without medical exemptions will have to pay if they don't get 1st dose soon
Legault did not say when the payment would take effect or how much it would cost, but he did say he wanted it to be significant enough to act as an incentive to get vaccinated — more than $50 or $100, he added. Legault said details would be revealed "in the coming weeks."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ebec-1.6311054

no booze no dope and now the anti vax-taxi, I see that as precedent setting in Canada

[bobz]

Anti-vax leader Christopher Key claims drinking your own urine cures COVID-19 https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavir...-covid-19.html

Maybe the next thing is, anti-vaxers could all eat shit?

[bennymac]

let’s spread that rumor

[TNKen]

heal fast kenny, and if you drink your own natural yellow medicine be sure to let us know how it goes.

I have some brown medicine a friend made. Seems to help with the cough. That and the hydrocodone.

You can try the herbal self-generated remedy, LOL.

[Mustonen]

Anti-vax leader Christopher Key claims drinking your own urine cures COVID-19 https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavir...-covid-19.html

heal fast kenny, and if you drink your own natural yellow medicine be sure to let us know how it goes.

Maybe the next thing is, anti-vaxers could all eat shit?

I have some brown medicine a friend made. Seems to help with the cough. That and the hydrocodone.

You can try the herbal self-generated remedy, LOL.

So is the trick to eat shit that somebody else generated? I’m not sure I have any friends I’m quite on those terms with. But let us know how it goes.

[Harry]

Anti-vax leader Christopher Key claims drinking your own urine cures COVID-19 https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavir...-covid-19.html

This needs to be investigated by the TRG.

I personally volunteer to urinate in alrasnob’s mouth to test this hypothesis.


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[riser4]

This needs to be investigated by the TRG.

I personally volunteer to urinate in alrasnob’s mouth to test this hypothesis.


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Nttawwt

[Harry]

So is the trick to eat shit that somebody else generated? I’m not sure I have any friends I’m quite on those terms with. But let us know how it goes.

If needed for scientific research by the TRG, I will also volunteer to shit in altasnob’s mouth.


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[Dexter Rutecki]

So is the trick to eat shit that somebody else generated?

You're describing Trump voters, right?

[Dexter Rutecki]

I still haven't seen any estimates suggesting that more than 50% of the population will get Omicron, so I disagree that "everyone's going to get it."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/co...3CI?li=BBnb7Kz

[Cono Este]

'Rona positive about two hours ago. I'm a Moderna man, two initial shots and the booster in November.

Co-worker in the office hacked around last week and tested positive yesterday. I tested negative yesterday, then positive today.

Doc prescribed Molnupiravir which is supposedly the latest greatest.

I've got bronchitis, a terrible cough, muscle aches, no fever, no sinus issues, and just feel lethargic. Also got a steroid, antibiotics and hydrocodone suspension for the cough.

Prevailing thought is this variant is going to get all of us. Just get it over with.

Triple jabbed.

I’ve been exposed a lot. Girlfriend and two boys have had it the last week. I’ve tested negative last week and yesterday. Rode in the car for four hours on sunday with GF although she wore a mask.

Felt pretty fatigued through all of it, had a minor sore throat, but apparently no Covid.


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[SumJongGuy]

Triple jabbed.

I’ve been exposed a lot. Girlfriend and two boys have had it the last week. I’ve tested negative last week and yesterday. Rode in the car for four hours on sunday with GF although she wore a mask.

Felt pretty fatigued through all of it, had a minor sore throat, but apparently no Covid.


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It can definitely take 5 days to incubate long enough for a rapid test to detect. You still might get lucky.

[Bunion 2020]

^^^ Buddy was certain he had the Covid. Turned out it was just the flu.

Stay well Cono you nutty nut.

[RockinB]

Last night after my wife got home from work she got a call from a friend who had just tested positive. They spent the day together on Sunday so I’m certain my wife was exposed. She has no symptoms as of now.

I removed myself from our common area and spent the night in a guest room off the opposite side of the garage out of precaution. Not sure if it’s too little too late or just silly at this point. If need be, I can ride this out in the guest room for a few days. We are both triple vaxed so likely we won’t end up with a severe case, but I’d rather not catch it if I can avoid it. She is taking a rapid test this morning and going to get a PCR today.

What’s the proper plan of attack for us? At what point should I test and at what point would it be considered safe to be co-living?

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Uhh wut?! @~1:38, the Pfizer CEO douche says that the 2 doses of the vaccine offers "very limited protection, if any." Dude's obviously trying to make shareholders happy with that line as he announces their version 1.1 coming out soon.

He's obviously full of shit, because it seems pretty unanimous here and among most experts that yes, the 2 doses DO appear to help against omicron, right? Dude trying to further sow doubt about the effectiveness of the vaccines? Sounds a bit like vaccine "misinformation" according to the standard typically applied by our big tech overlords (and most here).

I think your tin foil hat is too tight if this is your takeaway from that interview


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[MagnificentUnicorn]

Last night after my wife got home from work she got a call from a friend who had just tested positive. They spent the day together on Sunday so I’m certain my wife was exposed. She has no symptoms as of now.

I removed myself from our common area and spent the night in a guest room off the opposite side of the garage out of precaution. Not sure if it’s too little too late or just silly at this point. If need be, I can ride this out in the guest room for a few days. We are both triple vaxed so likely we won’t end up with a severe case, but I’d rather not catch it if I can avoid it. She is taking a rapid test this morning and going to get a PCR today.

What’s the proper plan of attack for us? At what point should I test and at what point would it be considered safe to be co-living?

I wouldn’t bother isolating from your wife with your status. Good luck, happy new year!


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[Cono Este]

It can definitely take 5 days to incubate long enough for a rapid test to detect. You still might get lucky.

GF tested negative 2x last week and then positive Monday. Drove around spotting bald eagles on Sunday, masked, but will take another test Friday.


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[SumJongGuy]

Last night after my wife got home from work she got a call from a friend who had just tested positive. They spent the day together on Sunday so I’m certain my wife was exposed. She has no symptoms as of now.

I removed myself from our common area and spent the night in a guest room off the opposite side of the garage out of precaution. Not sure if it’s too little too late or just silly at this point. If need be, I can ride this out in the guest room for a few days. We are both triple vaxed so likely we won’t end up with a severe case, but I’d rather not catch it if I can avoid it. She is taking a rapid test this morning and going to get a PCR today.

What’s the proper plan of attack for us? At what point should I test and at what point would it be considered safe to be co-living?

When my wife was legit positive and very sick I just moved out of the master bedroom in to my kids room.. He was away at college. I did spend one night in the living room on the couch when he got back.. Christmas Break. We wore legit N95 or KN95 masks whenever wife came out to get a snack . I wore a full N95 whenever I went on the master bedroom to take care of her. I also used the master bath.. sprayed lysol everywhere and only took off the N95 to take a quick shower or brush my teeth. Kept toothbrush in a zip lok bag.

Tested negative twice during wife's isolation period. After that took off the masks and got it 4-5 days later.. I was isolating at home for the additional 10 days already when that happened so definitely got it from her. Ya, 10 day isolation wasn't enough for us.. So, LOL!

Short answer, A good N95 mask is fine to co habitate in the main house as long as you sleep elsewhere, i.e. not in the same bedroom..

[altasnob]

I don't think there's any reason to assume there will be a second wave of omicron. Maybe there will be, but have any of the other variants had second waves?

Good question. I don't know if each wave is always associated with a new variant or not. But just because one variant becomes dominant doesn't mean the other variants instantly die out. Delta is still kicking around, and still accounts for a chunk of cases in the US, and an even greater chunk in other countries. I assume the reason WHO says over 50% of Europe will get COVID soon, but didn't make the same warning for the US, isn't because the US is doing a great job of controlling spread versus Europe, but because in Europe, Omicron accounts for nearly every single case where as the US still has Delta competing. And it appears immunity from both natural infection, and vaccination, wanes (which makes it easier for variants to stick around). Bottom line, even Fauci is spouting the "we're all going to get this" mantra.

Map of where Omicron presence is greatest:

https://nextstrain.org/groups/blab/ncov/omicron

[Harry]

Pornstar Jenna Jameson is not vaccinated. She made this declaration to dispel rumors on Facebook that her current medical condition is a side effect from being vaxxed.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/11/enter...l_topeditorial


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