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    Weeding time.

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    The polio vaccine worked because they got all the Boomers before they could say no.

    There's still a ton of people having unprotected sex with strangers or relative strangers. Go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Doesn't surprise me. Most jocks, no matter how rich and talented, are generally pretty dumb.
    Seriously

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    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac View Post
    Approximately 50% of us, if tested, would show antibodies to the herpes viruses that cause cold sores/genital sores - meaning our immune systems, at some point in our lives, did a tango with a herpes virus inside our body. 50%.

    Look at the person who posted above you. Now look at the person who posted after you.....do the math. Statistically one of you has had herpes virus inside your body. Maybe all three of you.

    This does not mean that 50% of people have outbreaks of genital herpes - the story is a lot more complicated than that - and this is not the thread to explain it all.

    But given the herpes virus prevalence in society it's not surprising that any vaccine or illness or medication that affects the immune system could also lead to new or repeat resurgence of latent herpes infection.

    All the stuff I wrote above is talking about "herpes" as known in society (cold sores and genital sores) - medically herpes is a whole family of viruses (like corona viruses is a family)

    Chickenpox is also caused by a herpes virus. Did you have chickenpox as a kid? You got herpes! (medically speaking - not in the common parlance). Younger people today are vaccinated against chickenpox. But if you weren't and you got it the old fashioned way this virus (a herpes virus!) likely lives inside you spinal cord today....I'm not making this up.

    And when the time is right (when your immune system is tired or is busy doing something else) this chickenpox virus decides it has an opportunity to party and comes flying out of retirement to cause shingles. So getting covid could also lead to a shingles outbreak. So could getting a covid vaccine. If a patient or a reporter looked into it without a medical background you can see how they might see the story as "this person got the vaccine - then they had a herpes outbreak! This is gonna get some page views!"

    Those kinds of headlines also give anti-vaxxers a raging boner as evidenced here.
    The herpes in the Israeli report is zoster, not simplex I or II (cold sores and genital--although I may have I and II backwards). Zoster is the virus that causes chickenpox, lives in the nerves for the rest of your life and often flares up as a painful rash (shingles) in the distribution of a nerve later in life, when your immunity to it has worn off. (It is recommended to get the zoster vaccine at age 50.) The Israeli cases were all women with autoimmune diseases who were likely on drugs that weaken the immune system. Why the vaccine would trigger an outbreak I don't understand, but the issue should be of no concern for someone who doesn't fit the profile of the Israeli cases.

    The chickenpox (varicella) vaccine is 25 years old so anyone younger than that has almost certainly never been infected with zoster. If there start to be reports in immune competent people after the covid shots it might be good for people over 25 to get the zoster vaccine before the covid--in my completely inexpert opinion.

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    naw man you don't get it. covid vaccine gives you herpes. and it gives you covid. I read it somewhere. In here I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k2skier112 View Post
    I just spoke to a business associate and he refuses to get the vaccine. He says the side effects of the vaccine are worse than the side effects of covid 19.
    He also stated the news media is not reporting all the deaths associated with the vaccine
    If he's a client: up your pricing and make up a story about how you have to charge more to compete with the Chinese
    If he's a partner: go find a new one

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    I am still getting*new* shingles 3 weeks out from my 1st dose of the Dolly Parton vaccine. I have had to talk myself down a couple of times ,reasoning that I had taken a anti-viral. My TMJ symptoms have cleared after 5 years, that feels good! Because I mask up, nobody got to see the massive, cold sore. I tend to avoid pharma, but I care about others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k2skier112 View Post
    I just spoke to a business associate and he refuses to get the vaccine. He says the side effects of the vaccine are worse than the side effects of covid 19.
    He also stated the news media is not reporting all the deaths associated with the vaccine
    Well, you know the guy is a stupid asshole. That's useful information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    The herpes in the Israeli report is zoster, not simplex I or II (cold sores and genital--although I may have I and II backwards).
    Hey, man... let's not let facts get in the way of a good narrative.


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    Quote Originally Posted by k2skier112 View Post
    I just spoke to a business associate and he refuses to get the vaccine. He says the side effects of the vaccine are worse than the side effects of covid 19.
    He also stated the news media is not reporting all the deaths associated with the vaccine
    I know it's just an anecdote and everyone is different but my side effects so far have been:
    mildly sore arm. maybe a 2.5 out of 10
    skid luxury

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    Wow all I did was type something I saw on the TV. I was not really invested in it.

    Just back from the VA hospital. I have good pressure and blood flow in both legs. I was a bit sensitive about the little bit of fat on my tummy. Tech said I was the leanest person she had worked on all day. I guess they spend lots of time with obese people.
    Got my second covid-19 shot. Another cool bandaid. I might have to post a picture.

    It's a really nice spring day around here.
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    Nice touch by the hospital for my 2nd.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MTT View Post
    Wow all I did was type something I saw on the TV. I was not really invested in it.
    But that's the problem with those kind of sound bites. Once people get that idea into their head it's hard to put the genie back into the bottle. Most people don't care to go research the real story so their take away will be "the vaccine causes herpes."

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    Don't post stupid misinformation like this and not expect responses

    Quote Originally Posted by MTT View Post
    Phizer covid-19 vaccine giving people the herpes. In israel. Just saw it on the TV

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    Quote Originally Posted by huckbucket View Post
    If he's a client: up your pricing and make up a story about how you have to charge more to compete with the Chinese
    If he's a partner: go find a new one
    Ha, not a partner.
    I sold him property.
    I'm carrying the note, at 6%!
    I'm winning!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark View Post
    Nice touch by the hospital for my 2nd.

    Was he playing a melodic version of this?


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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    their take away will be "the vaccine causes herpes."
    Fight the disinformation here with more disinformation. They all got the herp at the post-vax mask burning orgy.
    I've concluded that DJSapp was never DJSapp, and Not DJSapp is also not DJSapp, so that means he's telling the truth now and he was lying before.

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    I’ve got a fever baby
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    Quote Originally Posted by senior researcher View Post
    I am still getting*new* shingles 3 weeks out from my 1st dose of the Dolly Parton vaccine. I have had to talk myself down a couple of times ,reasoning that I had taken a anti-viral. My TMJ symptoms have cleared after 5 years, that feels good! Because I mask up, nobody got to see the massive, cold sore. I tend to avoid pharma, but I care about others.

    You sound serious, hope you're not trolling, cuz ..... Herpes (zoster or simplex) does indeed seem to be possibly aggravated for me by the vaccine (or something I was exposed to around the same time). I went from flare ups every 6-8 weeks (age related, I'm guessing; was far less frequent in my youth)) to every 2+ weeks, with inflammation and neuropathic pain in already bad spinal areas (L/S and C/Th). Seriously contemplating requesting long-term valtrex prescription.

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    As for going out maskless post vax, keep an eye on Israel, Britain, and Chile, the other highly vaxxed nations. Israel was still requiring masks a few weeks ago, probably still. Also keep an eye on your local covid prevalence. If there's no covid, and you're vaxxed, it's pretty safe out there. If there's some cases and you only go unprotected once, that's likely also safe. If there's some cases and you go several times a week, there's some risk.

    Those countries are also good to watch to see what level of vax plus social distancing controls the disease. E.g. Israel's at 60% vaxxed and has what the US calls severe restrictions and cases are falling by half every week.

    As for a year or two from now... if vax rates are high enough (nobody knows the exact threshold), covid cases should fall off slowly. Cases could fall fast if we're lucky, but we'll probably relax restrictions fast enough to prevent cases from falling fast. With large numbers unvaxxed, there will continue to be local outbreaks, as with measles, whooping cough, etc. Assuming the schools require vax late this year, that will likely be the tipping point if we don't hit it sooner. Those graphs showing the case declines in old folks are very encouraging.

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    I saw my Dr. 2 days before my shot, told him about my jaw swelling .Ear sores. Again. He said Get the shot, then maybe Singrex after. Raised the issue 2 years ago, when I last saw him. Him, Contact dermatitis? Fuck no. Skied a big sunny FULL day, and then my 1st deck apres of the year. 2 days before the shot. 1st sun exposure always brings the Herp out .Best I had felt since, I might have had covid a month before it was a thing. 2/2020 .My upper raspatory track feels much better, than before the shot. My jaw has stopped popping. But new sores today.

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    I checked, the blood thinner, facial filler, anaphylaxis boxes, pre- shot.

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    Getting the covid vaccine (or getting covid) is not going to "give you herpes"

    But either of those is going to affect your immune system - and that could cause herpes virus that is already inside you to flare up (cold sore herpes, genital sores herpes, shingles herpes [from chicken pox])

    If you had chicken pox as a child there is a very high chance that this herpes virus is hanging out in your spinal cord right now - just waiting for your immune system to be too busy or too worn down to notice - and then it comes back out and causes shingles.

    Same thing happens with the cold sores/genital sores herpes viruses - they hangout in your body until your immune system can't hold them back.

    Which is why they are called cold sores or fever blisters - they tend to show up when your immune system is dealing with another problem.

    And when these flare ups happen - cold sores, genital lesions, shingles - the herpes viruses can be beat back into submission using antiviral medications. But that doesn't get rid of them - just sends them back to their hiding places.

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    Well, wife had full vax in Jan.
    Whole family has rona this week.
    Her symptoms same as the rest of us.

    Not so sure this vax program gets us back to normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    But that's the problem with those kind of sound bites. Once people get that idea into their head it's hard to put the genie back into the bottle. Most people don't care to go research the real story so their take away will be "the vaccine causes herpes."
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