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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    Yeah... we've been on the rise and I heard from a source that the county has been carefully reporting cases trying to keep us under the governor's metrics so we don't slide back down to Phase 2.

    Spring realease weekend is coming up - bound to be more cases soon.
    Nothing like a government that actively works against government.

    Ron Swanson would be proud.

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    The same people who are shouting “it’s only all the old people or those thousands with chronic medical problems” are likely the same people years from now to say “look at all the sick old people and the thousands chronic medical conditions - it’s probably from the vaccine! I knew it!”

    Yes the world is in a state of constantly getting more and more complex. But we gotta start somewhere - help people have the instincts to examine complex topics and think “hmmm - the people most likely to be getting vaccinated are also the people most likely to have heart attacks and strokes - and that that does not necessarily mean vaccines = higher risk of heart attacks and strokes.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by huckbucket View Post
    I don't even know man. Just can't wrap my head around it. Yes people inflate their abilities to understand a complex topic. But also, the world is becoming more complex.

    Two days ago I was talking to my 76 yo mother and she dove into an emotionally fueled description of how China holds the majority of rare earth element deposits that are needed for the future of electronics and batteries. She described how the world will be so dependent on China that it becomes a massive security concern. I asked her to name two rare earth elements and she could only get one (kudos that she got one I guess). The key question is, how did she arrive at a place where she convinced herself that she understands such an enormously complex issue to the extent that she felt comfortable sharing her opinion with others? Same thing is happening with anti-vaxxers. I have yet to meet one that frames the risks (there are risks after all) in a way that reflects a clear understanding of the science and medicine.

    Fucking hubris I tell ya. Repeat after me. We know nothing and need to identify unbiased subject matter experts and follow their guidance. Yes, they might be wrong but they've got a hell of a lot better chance at being right.
    This is how the other half thinks about Covid - a small sampling of comments from the NIH post re: getting vaxxed. They go on and on and on like this:

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    When you see something that is not right, not just, not fair, you have a moral obligation to say something. To do something." Rep. John Lewis


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Striker View Post
    facebook That is literally the problem.
    yup my older sister recently retired from a bank legal dept with enough money is down the trumpist, election stolen, Q, conspiracy theory, rabbit hole, dragged in there by her disenfranchised old fuck BF

    thing is she we are not even in America or American, my younger sister & I just roll our eyes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Striker View Post
    Nothing like a government that actively works against government.

    Ron Swanson would be proud.
    Yeah but I think they are also trying to help their community stay open. What I took from the information I was given was that they were reporting all the cases just maybe spreading out when they became known. <shrug> At this point I just don't care anymore. I'm doing me. It's all I can do.
    When you see something that is not right, not just, not fair, you have a moral obligation to say something. To do something." Rep. John Lewis


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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    This is how the other half thinks about Covid - a small sampling of comments from the NIH post re: getting vaxxed. They go on and on and on like this:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mofro261 View Post
    If you have the time, highly recommend listening to Dr. Crotty discuss natural immunity following COVID-19, 100-fold differences (heterogeneity) in immune responses among the infected, superior vaccine induced immunity vs. natural immunity, viral variants, potential re-infection following natural infection or after vaccination, and the possible need for booster vaccines against variants.

    54 minutes damnit !
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    Quote Originally Posted by huckbucket View Post
    no workie
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    When you see something that is not right, not just, not fair, you have a moral obligation to say something. To do something." Rep. John Lewis


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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    fixed
    Thanks. Would be important to know how many of those posts are by bots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    54 minutes damnit !
    I know, but consider it as a vaccine for your attention span.
    Move upside and let the man go through...

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    Poll shows 2/3 of the unvaccinated don't plan to get it. Vaccinated percent looks like it will top out at 70%, probably not high enough for herd immunity given the increased transmissibility of variants.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ve-updates-us/

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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    This is how the other half thinks about Covid - a small sampling of comments from the NIH post re: getting vaxxed. They go on and on and on like this:

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    [sigh...] We're so screwed. I've said for many years, we're dumbing down over time. The gene pool recesses just a bit over every generation as the stupid people procreate at higher rates than the smarter ones, bringing the average level of intelligence down with each family of 11 kids brought in compared to a family of 2 kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mofro261 View Post
    I know, but consider it as a vaccine for your attention span.
    well one can do other things while listening but since i took the thing why not listen ?

    so if as OG sez vaccinated in the USA tops out at 70% how are things liable to look in 1 year, 2 year , 5 year ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Poll shows 2/3 of the unvaccinated don't plan to get it. Vaccinated percent looks like it will top out at 70%, probably not high enough for herd immunity given the increased transmissibility of variants.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ve-updates-us/
    Although currently about 80% of those over 65 are vaccinated, so maybe that's somewhat promising? I would guess older people are more likely to get vaccinated, though, since they are at higher risk if they get the virus. Something like 70-80% seems like a reasonable expectation to me. It's not ideal, but it could be worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldMember View Post
    [sigh...] We're so screwed. I've said for many years, we're dumbing down over time. The gene pool recesses just a bit over every generation as the stupid people procreate at higher rates than the smarter ones, bringing the average level of intelligence down with each family of 11 kids brought in compared to a family of 2 kids.
    Sounds like the plot of a cult classic movie...

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    Quote Originally Posted by huckbucket View Post
    I don't even know man. Just can't wrap my head around it. Yes people inflate their abilities to understand a complex topic. But also, the world is becoming more complex.
    That is the problem we aren't solving. No matter where you get information you have to trust someone. The best you can do is check the parts you know how to check to make sure you're not being lied to. Learn more and repeat. And hopefully others do the same.

    For most people the only tool they have for that is comparing values--usually alleged values. "How could someone be wrong about science if he agrees with my politics?" So the innumerate unite.

    We aren't going to fix this by convincing people that their politics are the root of their mistake, either--just taking up that line of reasoning literally reinforces the fallacy that cold, hard facts don't matter. And the majority of people on "both sides" suffer from the same disability, so the conversation devolves and the fallacy is reinforced.

    STEM. Yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    well one can do other things while listening but since i took the thing why not listen ?

    so if as OG sez vaccinated in the USA tops out at 70% how are things liable to look in 1 year, 2 year , 5 year ?
    Check our vax cards at the border? Won't help us, but maybe you. The conspiracy folks here already think the plan is to get us to accept more surveillance (that must be what the masks are for) and "vaccine passports" as the mark of the beast. We need herd immunity without those or we'll never manage it.

    I think $2000 tax credits to the vaccinated should do it. Maybe pro-rate it based on vax date after July 1.

    J&J couldn't have just made that carrier virus contagious, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mofro261 View Post
    I know, but consider it as a vaccine for your attention span.
    Seemed like the last part was the most important, but I got a little distracted by a burrito in the middle and zoned out for a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldMember View Post
    [sigh...] We're so screwed. I've said for many years, we're dumbing down over time. The gene pool recesses just a bit over every generation as the stupid people procreate at higher rates than the smarter ones, bringing the average level of intelligence down with each family of 11 kids brought in compared to a family of 2 kids.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Striker View Post
    Sounds like the plot of a cult classic movie...
    My theory stands...

    "One-standard-deviation increase in childhood general intelligence (15 IQ points) decreases women's odds of parenthood by 21-25%. Because women have a greater impact on the average intelligence of future generations, the dysgenic fertility among women is predicted to lead to a decline in the average intelligence of the population in advanced industrial nations."

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25131282/

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    Now there's a thought. Better yet, attach the spike protein DNA to something nasty, like the genital herpes virus, make everyone who got a covid shot eligible for a genital herpes vaccine, then spray the population with the covid vaccine/herpes virus.

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    well I have no doubt being vaxxed will affect jobs or where you can travel and anyone who hasnt figured that one out is deluding themselves but mostly politics and bulshit side I was wondering how things will look for the virus, what will it be doing down the line ?

    one year ago our shit didn't stink up here while Trump had completely dropped the ball and it looked pretty bad for America so there were a lot of unecessary deaths for sure but right now the per-capita infection rate in Canada is > America's which is pretty bad eh ... we dropped the ball

    right now America is ahead on getting the Vax into arms but not every American will get a Vax

    I honestly don't know if Canada is any less stupid ?

    so i kind of look at Canada & USA as one giant churning cesspool of COVID and wonder where its going ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldMember View Post
    My theory stands...

    "One-standard-deviation increase in childhood general intelligence (15 IQ points) decreases women's odds of parenthood by 21-25%. Because women have a greater impact on the average intelligence of future generations, the dysgenic fertility among women is predicted to lead to a decline in the average intelligence of the population in advanced industrial nations."

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25131282/
    He's been posting references to this movie for a while.
    And been spot on with it.


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    I suspect the uptake of vaccine will be similar in Canada and US - somewhere around 70%. Just my opinion/prediction. I hope I’m wrong and it’s higher.

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    Is it important to ask if the politics of the Situ have any relevancy on that figure ?

    there is no orange bobble head to worship up here
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    Canada is not immune to the pandemic of “do your own research” youtube experts/essential oil selling housewives, Trudeau wants a new world order/great reset soapboxers, it’s just the flu wake up/open up “I don’t know anyone who has died of it” denialists.

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