To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[Ted Striker]

Many are saying they'll resign. Stay tuned...

If I had $37 for every time I heard someone at work threaten to quit, I could retire (or at least do a week at Wiegele)

[stuckathuntermtn]

A lot of the medical staff are burned out and don't want to deal with it anymore. Especially in the South where their attempts at saving people are being actively undercut by the state governments. It's also where they are getting the most abuse from patients. The brain drain and nursing shortage will only get bigger.

What is this sweet sweet COVID cash that hospitals are getting? WTF are you talking about, Austin?

[mfcf13]

Might want to redirect your ire toward the hospitals themselves. Last year, they furloughed a sizeable portion of their work force. All while taking in billions in healthcare funding, bailouts, and paying their execs record amounts. Then they had a tough time restaffing.

It's not so much that unvaxxed are clogging up entire hospitals. Sure, that's some of it to a degree, but I'd say it's more that the hospitals downsized their capabilities during the pandemic. Again, while raking in assloads of COVID cash and giving their CEOs absolutely insane payouts. And now they're screwed on both the "elective" and emergency fronts. Don't overlook this root problem. Even WaPo, NYT, and NPR have covered this problem extensively over the last year+. How hospitals didn't reallocate and shuffle workers more effectively is ludicrous.

Hospitals Got Bailouts and Furloughed Thousands While Paying C.E.O.s Millions
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/08/b...s-ceo-pay.html

Amid Pandemic, Hospitals Lay Off 1.4M Workers In April
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/10/85352...rkers-in-april

Hospitals: "AH! COVID! LAY OFF ALL TEH STAFF!"
[CEO enjoys $30MM payday]
Same hospitals 2 seconds later: "AH! COVID! WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF!"

I usually ignore your posts, but this one is too damn stupid.

-It is an issue of availability of beds, not an issue of furloughs that occurred 16 fucking months ago. Presumably you have seen the photos of the tents being set up in parking garages because they are past capacity.
-I don't think you know what the word 'furlough' means. It is temporary. And at the times of the furlough back in April 2020, it wasn't like the rest of the economy was booming. So I don't think a lot of nurses said "geez, I am going to be on a reduced paycheck for 2 weeks and get to stay home with my kid. I guess I will leave my pension and my career and go get a job at an Amazon warehouse". If you have evidence that furloughs in April 2020 resulted in staffing shortages, please post it. But you don't.
-If staffing shortages in healthcare do occur, it will be because covidd denier patients create burnout and frustration for healthcare workers (you know, the people who are dedicated to healing other people but are really frustrated when their hospital is overwhelmed with unvaccinated who selfishly refused to take a small preventative measure).


I think you should apologize to every healthcare worker on this board for your stupid comments. TGR would be so much better if there was an IQ test upon sign up.


PS- It's pretty ironic watching a conservative complain about hospitals doing furloughs in April 2020. Wouldn't it have been socialism if the hospitals kept providers who perform elective procedures at full pay in April 2020, even though there were no elective procedures being performed at that time? Furloughs made complete sense to keep hospitals financially viable. Don't let your conservative buddies read your statement, they will get mad at your socialism.
PPS-Executives being overpaid has been much discussed you dolt. You're not breaking new ground on that observation. More specifically, if executive pay is going up in all sectors, what are healthcare organizations supposed to do? Pay their executives crap and end up with an applicant pool of incompetents like you?.
PPPS- You have a problem with hospitals receiving PPP loans? I, for one, think it's a good idea to keep hospitals open during a pandemic. Also, you know what's really crazy, a lot of covidd deniers like Del BigTree took PP loans("Covidd is fake but I just can't help myself, i want to suck from the government teat"). You don't seem to have a problem with the fraudster taking PPP loans, but heaven forbid that some hospital receive PPP loans.
Here's your Texas buddy sucking from the government teat.
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/01...-vaccines-ppp/


Get bent MF. Like most of you brethren, it's an issue of shirking responsibility. You refuse to look at the fact that unvaccinated patients are straining our healthcare system. Instead, blame furloughs from 16 months ago. It's just too hard for you conservatives to acknowledge that you are selfish fucks and sometimes that has negative outcomes. Did you hear that Florida is the only state in the country that is breaking records on death rates? Maybe it's Obama's fault.

[summit]

If you think the staffing issue was created by COVID, it wasn't. COVID just made it worse. Now census is up, staffing is unavailable, people are burnt out, and plenty of people went back to school or found jobs away from the bedside around the nation. "Hey who wants to work OT shifts?" That only flies for so long. Yes people are burned out. Yes it is hard not always default to compassion when you are short staffed and you need another bed for an unvaxxed COVID pneumonia. Nurses and docs from across the nation feel this even if they only say it in the lounge. And your colleagues cry when someone younger than you who you work with dies of COVID in your own hospital, but they refused the vax. It's a damned shame.

I'm lucky to be where I am. COVID isn't even that big of a problem in terms of patient volume here and we are incredibly well equipped. I'm putting on scrubs today because we need bedside staff. COVID travel contracts in MS and FL pay too well vs people applying for a nice place with tight housing costs. If you want to be an ER or ICU nurse or care tech in a ski community, PM me.

[toast2266]

-If staffing shortages in healthcare do occur, it will be because covidd denier patients create burnout and frustration for healthcare workers (you know, the people who are dedicated to healing other people but are really frustrated when their hospital is overwhelmed with unvaccinated who selfishly refused to take a small preventative measure).

This sums up every single healthcare worker I know. Lots of griping about all the stupid unvaccinated patients that are dying of covid as they deny it's existence.

Most of them are sticking with it because it's their career and changing career paths isn't really viable. But a few of the younger, less invested nurses are throwing in the towel.

[AK47bp]

I worked for a hospital system during early stages of Covid and we struggled to keep afloat. All non essential staff were furloughed, benefits cut, pay raise freezes, the Covid relief money and loans were barley enough to stay afloat. I worked with the finance team and saw the spreadsheets.

This was a state system and I could see everyone’s pay, nobody benefited.

Maybe the ventilator salesman??


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[frorider]

this, 100%. Hospitals are cancelling "elective" surgeries that are not really elective, like heart surgery. There may need to be some sort of restrictions applied to hospitals so the unvaxxed are not sucking up all the resources due to their stupidity. Was talking to a friend who sells aortic stents and valves...they've had hospitals in rural areas cancel almost all of their cases lately since the hospitals can only care for COVID-19 at the moment. He was saying their patients have a 50% fatality rate in 12 months from being diagnosed, so people who did the right thing, got vaccinated, are dying because of the antivax idiots.

Stoked Harry got taken care of.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

My perspective from the hospital that I work at. We were doing fine until mid July. Then the uptick in Covid Cases started causing concern. Now we’re at a point where we have more Covid cases than we had at any point during the pandemic. We had to start adjudication of elective procedures at the start of August. We have plenty of staff to do the elective inpatient procedures and beds for them, but those beds are being taken up by Covid patients. All the beds are staffed but there is no margin for absenteeism. It’s a tough spot and we’re teetering on the verge of bankruptcy because we aren’t generating revenue and the money from the government for Covid treatments is exactly what it is. No one is getting that sweet, sweet Covid money.

As far as furloughs, our staff had furloughs but we kept them at the minimum allowed to received the Cares Act money for people in WA on the SharedWork program. So our staff had their hours cut by as little as 10% and they would receive their unemployment benefits plus $600 a week. Yes that’s right, they were getting paid more to work less.


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[Danno]

Wait wait wait. Are all you guys who actually work in hospitals telling me that Montucky is completely wrong and spewing bullshit? Unpossible!

[Yonder_River]

Same deal here in the puget sound area. No capacity, electives cancelled, ER's turning folks away sometimes. Hospitals have mutually agreed to not divert to each other. The main issue is lack of available staff, particularly nurses. Once again montucky is a moron hellbent on pushing whatever narratives he thinks will make him feel better.

[CarlMega]

Wait wait wait. Are all you guys who actually work in hospitals telling me that Montucky is completely wrong and spewing bullshit? Unpossible!

General theme: why worry about vaccines because hospitals may not be perfect at managing their business.

There's always more malarkey.

[KQ]

New Study Reveals Yet Another Benefit Of COVID Vaccines For Pregnant Women

[altasnob]

Expect the exodus of Washingtonians to Idaho and Montana to increase substantially. 30% of firefighters here in Pierce County (Tacoma) are not vaccinated and the union is afraid many of those will chose to move to a state without a vaccine mandate. Unions are also threatening law suits contending that imposing the vaccine mandates violates collective bargaining agreement rules.

[simple]

Bye then. The kooks can all form their own republic in Wyoming/Idaho/Montana and Alex Jones can be their leader. They can horde all their freedoms. They can boycott everything being made in China. Live off the land and be great neighbors to each other. The burning piles of garbage will be their warning sign to the progressives to stay away. Worked for the Appalachians right?

[AK47bp]

Expect the exodus of Washingtonians to Idaho and Montana to increase substantially. 30% of firefighters here in Pierce County (Tacoma) are not vaccinated and the union is afraid many of those will chose to move to a state without a vaccine mandate. Unions are also threatening law suits contending that imposing the vaccine mandates violates collective bargaining agreement rules.

WA is just getting better and better.






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[riser4]

Bye then. The kooks can all form their own republic in Wyoming/Idaho/Montana and Alex Jones can be their leader. They can horde all their freedoms. They can boycott everything being made in China. Live off the land and be great neighbors to each other. The burning piles of garbage will be their warning sign to the progressives to stay away. Worked for the Appalachians right?

They don't get any nukes or heavy weapons. AR-15s only.

[wooley12]

Expect the exodus of Washingtonians to Idaho and Montana to increase substantially. 30% of firefighters here in Pierce County (Tacoma) are not vaccinated and the union is afraid many of those will chose to move to a state without a vaccine mandate. Unions are also threatening law suits contending that imposing the vaccine mandates violates collective bargaining agreement rules.

Winning. Love it or leave it, eh?

[SorryBro]

Expect the exodus of Washingtonians to Idaho and Montana to increase substantially. 30% of firefighters here in Pierce County (Tacoma) are not vaccinated and the union is afraid many of those will chose to move to a state without a vaccine mandate. Unions are also threatening law suits contending that imposing the vaccine mandates violates collective bargaining agreement rules.

Works for me. New trainees will fill those jobs. Tacoma will be better off without the people who are antivax. Montana is big. They can house more people than Washington. Safe travels to those hitting the road soon

[bodywhomper]

OR starts a mask mandate for outdoor public gatherings Friday & Portland public schools going to have lunch outside for 1st 6 wks of school since that is the time kids have to remove masks to eat/drink

What are the schools’ plans when it’s too smokey to eat outside?

[bodywhomper]

Another local union making a fucked up stance

[Thaleia]

I posted yesterday that the Toronto Police Service had announced that all member will require vaccinations, and something like an hour later their union sent out a release saying they won't be complying for 'safety' reasons.

It's almost like the police play by a different set of rules or something.

[Adolf Allerbush]

Wait wait wait. Are all you guys who actually work in hospitals telling me that Montucky is completely wrong and spewing bullshit? Unpossible!

To be fair, he's consistent...just take his thoughts on the pandemic in FL...to summarize he thinks in FL "it's no big deal, things are going great!"

[schuss]

I posted yesterday that the Toronto Police Service had announced that all member will require vaccinations, and something like an hour later their union sent out a release saying they won't be complying for 'safety' reasons.

It's almost like the police play by a different set of rules or something.

I will laugh if this is what ends up breaking police unions.

[::: :::]

What are the schools’ plans when it’s too smokey to eat outside?

https://www.pps.net/contact


just saw today...Rose Quarter events, including Trailblazers' games, will be limiting attendance to those that can show they are vaxxed

those injected chips are going to pay for themselves soon enough - just go thru the scanner

[TNKen]

Same here in Tennessee; mask mandates starting to pop up, schools and colleges, courts and municipal buildings. Our hospital has re-opened all of its covid units. Still no staff. Several people I know that have been vaccinated are covid positive.

We have a huge music festival scheduled in our downtown the weekend over Sept 12. Main Street in our downtown straddles the Tennessee/Virginia state line. Tennessee has a law prohibiting asking for proof of vaccinations. The headliner pulled the plug, as well as several other artists.

Biden now pushing for 6 month boosters. I'm in the window!!